Mark Burik (00:01.751)
Hey everybody, and welcome to the Better at Beach podcast. My name is Mark Burik and today we have a special guest who is actually a new member of the Better at Beach team. You'll be seeing her at camps for the people in our online program. She is also taking over our evening sessions. If you do not know how our online program works, yes, we have a ton of recorded courses, but
Watching videos is 25% of the battle. as an athlete, you need feedback, you need reps to be able to make adjustments, and then you need feedback again. And so all of our members in our online program we now have, thanks to Delaney, we have two meetings per week, and our members get a weekly challenge. They go out and do their reps, whether it's in the gym or
Or a little written assignment, but mainly it's a lot of reps or challenges for in game and in practice situations. Then when you film those, we look at your matches, we look at your practices, and we tell you what's going right, what's going wrong, and anything you need to fix. So if you are looking to improve, if you don't have a coach that you trust in your area or
You just can't get enough time with them in a year with us online. That's at least a hundred and four hours with a former A VP player, FIVB and national team coach. And now that Delaney's on staff as well, we have in A VP and FIVB player, and we are both fitness specialists.
So that's what our education is. So if you're that type of person that really wants to see an upgrade in your game, just head on over to better atbeach.com and sign up for our online membership. And we'll watch your film help you through your matches and your practices and your training programs. Now.
Mark Burik (02:13.279)
We have some upcoming camps. Punta Cana is happening again November 28th to December 5th. So if you want to come to the Dominican Republic and spend seven days all inclusive with us and great coaches and current pros, we are there for fun, reps, and learning the game. May 29th is going to be in Long Island, New York. May 29th in San Diego has been sold out for a few months.
June 5th, we'll be in Asheville, North Carolina. June 19th, we'll be in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. June 26th at Fourth Avenue Beach in Seattle, Washington. July 10th in Loveland, Ohio. July 24th in Bend, Oregon. We consider that the Seaside Warm-up camp. And August 28th, we're coming to Chicago, which I'm excited about. September 18th.
That might sell out. we've got a lot of signups for that one already. That's in San Francisco, September eighteenth, and Fayetteville, Arkansas. We're coming to you September twenty-fifth. More camp dates are on the way. But Delaney, hello and welcome back home from the AVP Florida tournament. Thank you. Yeah. how'd it go?
Delaney Peranich (03:33.122)
Thank you. I'm happy to be here.
Delaney Peranich (03:38.794)
It went really well. for being a smaller contenders, the competition was really good. and it was really fun because the sand is really shallow there, so it's a much more dynamic game.
Mark Burik (03:39.635)
Really well. for being a smaller contender, the competition was really good. and it was really fun because the sand is really shallow there, so it's much dynamic. Hm. What do you mean when you say dynamic?
Delaney Peranich (03:52.959)
when the sand is a little bit more firm, everything happens a lot faster and people jump higher. So essentially, like everyone's at their A game, everyone's at the top. It plays a little bit more like an indoor game, and there's a lot more power, there's a lot more quick sets, and it makes it really exciting to watch and play.
Mark Burik (03:55.414)
sand is a little bit more firm, everything happens a lot faster and people jump higher. So essentially like everyone's at their A game, everyone's at the top. It plays a little bit more like an indoor game.
Mark Burik (04:15.402)
A lot more quick sets. it makes it really exciting to watch. For so I know this from from when I used to play like the sand difference between Hermosa Manhattan and then going out to a Florida tournament. the women's game is more peel-heavy, right? So like you're leaving the net more consistently. But even in Hermosa, you get a a pro player and their sets at like eight feet, and you should consider.
Delaney Peranich (04:34.04)
Mm-hmm.
Mark Burik (04:41.667)
Appealing as a guy. In Florida, when sometimes like s people can be playing in sneakers, you get a set at half court and they're still blasting, because they can jump higher, they can get this longer run up, they can broad jump a little bit more, which gives them more power. So does that did that change anything defensively for this guy? Or do you do you ladies on the women's side go through a similar process of
needing to make a quick adjustment between deep and shallow sand.
Delaney Peranich (05:15.69)
we definitely had to make an adjustment with this shallow sand, especially because it rained the day before the tournament, so it was really, really firm. We had to stay my blocker stayed up a lot more in defense because people had different angles than they would have had if the sh sand was deeper and less firm. So we pretty much ran straight up and
Mark Burik (05:16.631)
We definitely had to make an adjustment. With this shallow sand, especially because it rained the quantum tournament, so it was really, really firm. We had to stay my blocker stayed up a lot more in the defense because people had different angles than they would have had if the sh sand was deeper and less firm. So we pretty much ran straight up and my blocker stayed a lot more. People weren't
Delaney Peranich (05:41.813)
My blocker stayed a lot more. People weren't as shooty because the faster shots in the faster sand or the faster swings in the faster sand were really, really effective. And if something is working, you don't change it. So yeah. yeah, we definitely made an adjustment. There was much less peeling than there would be in California.
Mark Burik (05:45.104)
shooty because the faster shots and the faster sand, the faster swings and the faster sand were really really effective. And if something is working we don't change it. So yeah. yeah we definitely made an adjustment. There was much less feeling than there would be in helpful. Okay. But out of ten
At the pro level, how many peels are how many times would you peel on just a standard set, like five to three feet from the net?
Delaney Peranich (06:27.438)
that depends on tendencies, but I would say maybe three out of ten on a standard set, if someone's in system, you usually want the blocker up to take something away from them unless they really like a certain shot, like short over the block, or they've been beating the cut shot. So then you would have your blocker pull into that, but if that's a tendency.
Mark Burik (06:31.425)
But I would say maybe three out of ten on the standard set of someone's in system, you usually want the blocker up to take something away from them unless they really like a certain shot like short open block or they've been beating the cut shot. So then you would have your blocker pull into that, but if that's a tendency. So when somebody's beating you on
shots, your answer is to try to get the blocker to peel into the shot? Or is there another way that you would typically defend it?
Delaney Peranich (07:11.98)
That's definitely one way and a big way that I like to use because when someone's really comfortable with that shot, if you put a defender there, whether it's the blocker or the defender, it throws off their offense and makes them think a lot more. and also if someone is shot heavy as an offensive player already, putting two defenders in the backcourt makes them think a lot more on their offense.
Mark Burik (07:25.324)
it throws off their offense and makes them think a lot more. and also if someone is shot heavy as an offensive player already, putting two defenders makes them the offense. Yeah. I I I'm a big proponent of preaching like you men or women, you shouldn't consider blocking.
Until at least double A level. Like double A is when I think, all right, let's start putting someone up there because then you get people who are physical enough and consistent enough with their touches to have hard swing opportunities. But if you just roll a ball to a team and out of 10 times they can't hit it in the front half of the court more than five out of ten times, just on an open net free ball.
There's no value to having a blocker up there that comes with caveats, right? Where I'm just like, okay, sometimes people freak out just because there's a blocker, so it gets them nervous and you're able to dig them. But if somebody doesn't scare me from a hitter standpoint, where like I I would start turning my cheek and worried about getting hit, I don't want a blocker up there. And if I play against a bunch of A or double A guys,
I'm peeling probably seven out of ten times, especially at the A level. Double A is where I start considering, but A is like it, I'm not a blocker. And I think that so many people end up losing points for too long because they see how the pros play and they just immediately apply that defense. Versus you've never seen a pro team play against an A an A-level team. And if you're A-level,
Delaney Peranich (09:14.091)
Here.
Delaney Peranich (09:19.979)
Mm-hmm.
Mark Burik (09:21.653)
There would be a way different defensive design and probably no one's n even near the net. Yeah, block is definitely nuanced and it depends on so many factors.
Delaney Peranich (09:29.292)
Yeah, block defense is definitely nuanced and depends on so many factors. when I was in college, even at the different flight levels, when I played at the fives, you pull a lot more because people aren't as
offensively strong, they shoot more, you know, you'd want to pull back. It's a little bit more of that like double A level compared to like the twos or the ones where the star players are, where they're in system a lot more, where they have a lot more range on their offense. so even even with that I notice the difference in just how you would adapt your defense.
Mark Burik (09:47.172)
Defensively strong, they shoot more, you know, you want to pull back. It's little bit more of that like double A level compared to like who's are the ones where the star players where they're in the system a lot more, where they have a lot more range offense. so even with that I noticed the difference in just how it would adapt to your offense. So you played at Cal Poly under Todd Rogers, right?
Delaney Peranich (10:11.724)
Yeah. The goat.
Mark Burik (10:13.949)
What was that like? Cause I've got some like stories from when he was crushing the AVP in the world tour. and some of the stories that came about about Todd as a coach was that he's just rather unforgiving. He goes, Yeah, you just do it. but you know, I didn't get four years of experience under his wing. And I know he was kind of like that with Phil too, where he like he got on Phil and and Phil told us
Delaney Peranich (10:30.882)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (10:41.795)
at one of the camps that we ran, he was like, Yeah, he barked at me. Nick barked at me. But as it turns out, the partners that barked at me the most got the best out of me. It wasn't the most enjoyable, but those were my best seasons. so what's Olympic gold medalist Todd Rogers like as a as a four-year coach? Is he unforgiving? Is he high expectation? Is he cerebral?
Delaney Peranich (10:56.461)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (11:07.256)
So cerebral is definitely the word that I was that I would use for Todd. and interestingly enough, he adapted his coaching style to each individual player on the team. So I performed better when someone barks at me. I have other teammates that did it. And luckily when I got there, he had a few years under his belt and learned how to coach women too, because I think there's a big difference when coaching men and women and how people respond.
Mark Burik (11:14.005)
Interestingly enough, he had backlogs coaching style to individual player on the team.
Okay. I had other teammates that did it. And luckily when I got there he spent a few years under his belt and learned
women too, because I think there's a big difference when coaching men and women and how people respond. But just like he's the professor in Beach Bible, I think he's the professor in coaching too. He knows what he's talking about. He adapts to whatever game is being played, whether it's my game, my partner's game, whatever, and he also really focuses on the details and voting on What type of details when you talk about like he focuses on the details. I I I think that's generic enough where
Delaney Peranich (11:36.812)
But just like he's the professor in Beach Volleyball, I think he's the professor in coaching too. He knows what he's talking about, he adapts to whatever game is being played, whether it's my game, my partner's game, whatever, and he also really focuses on the details and holds you accountable. So
Mark Burik (12:01.125)
Everybody goes, yeah, yeah, every good person focuses on the details. Do you have any like specific examples of things that he would nitpick on or make sure that a a person had to do where it seemed unnecessary or you were like, Yes, this is this is important for us to win.
Delaney Peranich (12:22.104)
So from my personal experience, I had a tendency to speed the game up. And even in practice, if I did that, if he noticed, if he was watching me, he would point it out. He wouldn't really let things slide. So he would focus on like the tempo of the game, the skills that we were doing, the skills of the overall team and where we were deficient, and then we would work on that in practice. So everything
Mark Burik (12:24.451)
experience, I had a tendency to speed the game up and even in practice, if I did that, if he noticed, if he was watching me, he would point it out. He wouldn't really let things slide. So he would focus on like the tempo of the game, the skills that we were doing
the skills of the overall team where we were deficient and then we would work on that in practice. So everything was constantly changing for what we needed as players and as team. Okay. When you say you were trying to speed the game up, what does mean?
Delaney Peranich (12:51.136)
was constantly changing to what we needed as players and as a team.
Delaney Peranich (13:02.794)
it was kind of a stress response, I guess, or a competition response. I don't want stress to sound like a negative thing because everyone experiences stress in competition. but when I get excited, I just want to go. And I think that's the former track athlete in me. I hear the gun go off and I'm ready to race. so
Mark Burik (13:04.995)
It was kind of stress response I guess. Or a competition response. I don't want stress on like a negative thing because everyone experiences stress in competition.
excited, I just wanna go. And I think that's the former track athlete in me I have again flopped and I'm ready to race. so instead of taking the time on my contacts and taking the time to look before and evaluate what was happening in the game, I would just go and do what I knew how do instead of just doing what I saw before.
Delaney Peranich (13:28.426)
Instead of taking the time on my contacts and taking the time to look at the court and evaluate what was happening in the game, I would just go and do what I knew how to do instead of doing what I saw on the court.
Mark Burik (13:40.92)
So was it a lower pass that you tried to get yourself into, a lower set? Were you having the same set and charging your approach too early? Or were you I've seen junior girls at some of our camps? I've it's like speed surfing. Like when you get to junior girls, it's like up to the line surf, boom. And there's no thought, it puts a lot of pressure on people who aren't ready. But which version of hurrying the game were you going through?
Delaney Peranich (14:08.322)
All of it. Whether it was cheating on defense, serving too quick, approaching too early, I had a tendency to just go. And so we originally modified my offense so that I was running quick sets wherever because I have the speed. But eventually you get to a point where you play against teams and that doesn't work. And you need to learn how to play different games against different teams. So
Mark Burik (14:13.119)
serving too quick, approaching too early, I had a tendency to just go. And so we originally modified my offense that I was running quick sets wherever because I have to speed. But eventually you get to a point where you play against teams and that doesn't work. And you need to learn how to play different games against different teams. So when I started moving up
Delaney Peranich (14:37.386)
when I started moving up and the blockers got bigger, the players got stronger, my go to quicks weren't always as effective and I needed to find a way to create more space and more room in the game so that I could be more of an offensive weapon.
Mark Burik (14:40.259)
And the blockers got bigger, the players stronger, my go to quicks weren't always effective, and I needed a way to create and more room in the game so that I could be more of an offensive player. Why, for you or for that system that you learned, with Todd, why isn't a lower set
effective against a bigger, stronger team.
Delaney Peranich (15:13.88)
So if it's just a bigger team, it can be. like if the block is really big but slow, then it's really effective. But if the block is bigger and dynamic, then you need to give yourself the space.
Mark Burik (15:21.647)
slow then it's really effective. But if the block is bigger and dynamic, then you need to give yourself the space. And is it because do you think that a low set actually hurts your ability to see the court?
Delaney Peranich (15:43.107)
Sometimes. Sometimes it helps because the ball and the court are right in front of you. but say you have a lower set and the blocker's there, sometimes you're just panicking a little bit and you can't see what your options are as well as when you have the time of a a a more apexy higher set.
Mark Burik (15:45.235)
Because the bar and the corner are right in front of you.
But say you have a lower set and the blockers there, sometimes you're just panicking a little bit and you can't see what your options are as well as when you have the time of a a more apexy higher set. Okay. So what's your favorite set now?
Delaney Peranich (16:08.718)
probably a nice apex antenna height set. Still lower, but But it needs to have that rainbow. Needs to have that rainbow.
Mark Burik (16:12.339)
Apex antenna height set, but still lower. That's pretty low, antenna height. Yeah. Dang, okay. Okay. I always I always kinda throw jabs at people because like when I see like antenna height, if I actually set antenna height, I'm like you're hitting at the top of this set. Like y 'cause most I mean at a high level players can reach
Delaney Peranich (16:37.036)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (16:42.291)
Guys are reaching top of the antenna. You got a few freaks like maybe Brandy, maybe Megan Rice, who can like grab the top of the top of the antenna. But I I played with one guy, Dave Palm, for a little while, and he's like, Top of the antenna, top of the antenna. And then I set him a ball about five or six feet above the top of the antenna. He goes, That was it, perfect. And I was like, Okay. So, like you just wanted me to set pretty low.
Delaney Peranich (17:02.712)
Ha ha ha.
Delaney Peranich (17:09.856)
No, I think yeah, I think it's definitely like an approximation, like plus or minus a few balls. But I funny enough, I played middle blocker in indoor. And so I trained a lot more of the lower sets and I like having that ball in front of me and lower where I can see the court, but not too low where I'm just trapped. and I think for me the biggest thing isn't necessarily the height, it's the spacing off the net that matters more.
Mark Burik (17:11.883)
Definitely like an approximation, like plus or minus T balls. But
Funny enough, I play middle blocker in indoor. And so I trained a lot more of the lower set and I like having that ball in front of me and lower where I can see the court, but not too low where I'm just trapped. and I think for me the biggest thing isn't necessarily the height, it's facing off the net that matters more.
Delaney Peranich (17:40.235)
so two feet off the net and antenna height is like money for me.
Mark Burik (17:43.445)
So two feet off the net an antenna height is like monthly. Yeah. Nice. Okay. So you played indoor, you had that route. you went from indoor. What was major things? Did you start that transition in high school club?
Delaney Peranich (18:02.206)
Yeah, I started playing Club Beach when I was a freshman in high school. It was the first time I played. Yeah. not as early as the girls today. It's impressive. I see like nine year olds out there. It's crazy. They they're so talented. I'm excited to see where they get to. but yeah, I started in high school just in summers because I played
Mark Burik (18:06.487)
Wow. Early. Okay.
Mark Burik (18:11.667)
Today. I mean you got Yeah, like you ate two on two beach volleyball, like legit bum set spike, like what?
Mark Burik (18:26.039)
started in high school just in summers because I played indoor in high school and I started running track in high school too and I was still playing club indoor so that takes up a lot of time. So I just started in the summers and then slowly got more serious about it and started transitioning a little bit more towards beach. And by the end of my sophomore year I quit indoor club. Wow early. Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (18:30.176)
Indoor in high school and I started running track in high school too, and I was still playing club indoor. So that takes up a lot of time. so I just started in the summers and then slowly got more serious about it and started transitioning a little bit more towards beach. And by the end of my sophomore year, I quit indoor club and went to beach club. Yeah. Yeah.
Mark Burik (18:56.193)
What was so what was that like? Yeah, because you know the battle between beach coaches and indoor coaches, and I'm I take a hard stance on more volleyball touches is good. Like it is so easy to say, I'm on a hard court, I have slightly faster hands, I'm on a soft court.
I can have slightly slower hands. Like that transition to me after my first tournament of getting called for like doubles. I was like, okay. And it never came back again. Like, never. Hardcourt, faster hands. And then everything else was exactly the same. So the indoor coaches who are saying that they develop bad habits. I'm like, you have an opportunity for your kid on your team to get four more months of touches.
And just go out to the beach and and have fun and you want to take that away. I I've never, never understood, and I take a really hard stance on that. but did you go through that with parents, coaches, advisors that were telling you, No, you need to stick here, no, you need to stick here for one reason or another?
Delaney Peranich (19:59.353)
Mm-hmm.
Delaney Peranich (20:10.326)
I did. I did. Luckily my parents were big into playing multiple sports and doing multiple things. So I had that support on my side for sure. But yeah, it it got to a point where coaches were telling me I needed to specialize in one or the other. and I think that's a lot of pressure on a kid as well. And I also think that it was beneficial for me.
Mark Burik (20:14.179)
big into playing multiple sports and doing multiple things so I had that support on my side for sure but yeah it it got to a point where coaches were telling me I needed to specialize in one or the other. and I think that's a lot of pressure on a kid as well.
And I also think that it was beneficial for me to play beach and indoor because that I learned indoor I could bring onto the beach and the IQ I gained from beach I into indoor. So I think the two together were really beneficial into myself an overall athlete. What IQ part from Beach did you bring to Indoor that was helpful?
Delaney Peranich (20:40.718)
to play beach and indoor because skills that I learned in indoor I could bring onto the beach and the IQ I gained from the beach I brought into indoor. So I think those two together were really beneficial into myself as an overall athlete.
I'd say a little bit more of the vision and just the all around playing and endurance as well. I mean that's not necessarily IQ, but I think that helped me as well. in beach you need to have good vision to be successful. And in indoor that wasn't a a requisite.
Mark Burik (21:13.513)
I mean that's an AI Q but I think that helped me as well. in beach you need to have good vision to be successful. Yeah. And in in north that wasn't a
Delaney Peranich (21:30.324)
It was just like, seaball pitball for me.
Mark Burik (21:30.58)
It was just like, seatball pit ball. but I learned a about like how beach and it helped me in my card. so more like feet to ball type. having to be more precise instead of Yeah, there's a there's a lot of indoor players that are like, well, you're just getting sets and there's a component of that, especially if you're a middle. If you're a middle
Delaney Peranich (21:35.476)
but I learned a lot more about like how to track balls in Beach and it helps me in indoor.
Delaney Peranich (21:45.538)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (22:00.179)
Yeah, you're getting sets. If you're an elite pin hitter, even if it's moving fast, your feet to ball is still feet to ball. It just happens so much later and with so much quicker feet that I've I felt like that in college, where I was receiving sets and then I got to work with a few extra coaches right after college, and I was like,
I am actually still in control of getting my feet to the ball, not just receiving it. no matter how fast it is. It's just I delay a bit a little bit longer, hold on to my left step, and then step close on it, even though it's a lightning set.
Delaney Peranich (22:44.706)
Yeah. It's still just as important and it just happens faster.
Mark Burik (22:46.315)
It's still just as important and it just happens faster. Yeah, I see I see that happening with even DJ. So DJ Klasnik, he just won the A V P. He stayed at my place, gave him my car for the weekend. And when we were working on his speed sets, we had to say, like, no, no, no, you're not getting set. The set is going up, you're going to it. So we spent a few hours like making sure that he was in control of his feet to ball.
even on a flow set to the outside, like a little speed set. we worked hard on him not just going, like hang on to those steps, just make them quicker and choppier, and then you close the ball. But the idea of I think the idea of getting set versus a set goes up, you get it. There's obviously you know this borderline that you have to figure out. But
If you always have the mentality as a hitter of a set is going up and I'm attacking it instead of I'm getting set, I've always found that to be like so helpful for players and definitely my mentality while I was playing. that I am utterly in control of this and then it makes you a less whiny hitter.
Delaney Peranich (24:07.246)
Yeah. No, definitely. I remember I did a session in high school with Dane Selznick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. it was awesome. But one of the things that he told me w is every set on the beach is a good set, you just have to get your feet there. And obviously there's some edge cases. we're not arguing that. But if there's a ball and it's up and it's within a window.
Mark Burik (24:11.799)
Did his session in high school with Dang Celtics. Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. it was awesome. But one of the things that he told me w is every set on the beach is a good set, you just have to get your feet there. And obviously there's some edge case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Delaney Peranich (24:37.12)
around you, you can attack it and you can make a good play.
Mark Burik (24:39.139)
can attack it and you can make a good play. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then it just like some of them limit your choices a little bit more. Or it's like, okay, I'm in this position, so I don't have the opportunity for X swing, but I still have the other two. Right? Like it can still be an effective attack, but it on the top. Just not if you have the
Delaney Peranich (24:56.214)
Mm-hmm. And you can still be an effective attacker with limited options.
Mark Burik (25:03.987)
I need to hit this ball right now. And then you get a different set, and your mind is still stuck on hitting that ball. It's like you have to make these little mental switches through your approach based on where the set's going. And then you say, okay, here's where the set is. So now here's my new set of options. Not maybe not my favorite, but I've got a new set of options based on this really garbage set.
Delaney Peranich (25:09.709)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (25:28.732)
Mm. Yeah. It's all about adaptation.
Mark Burik (25:33.421)
Preach. Okay, so what was the biggest shell shock for you going from club beach to NCAA at the level that Cal Poly was competing at?
Delaney Peranich (25:34.446)
Okay.
Delaney Peranich (25:51.471)
honestly the intensity. I grew up in Northern California and started playing in Santa Cruz and it was always really relaxed. It was organized, but it was really relaxed. And it was more just like going out there playing for fun a bit. we would do some drills, but then I got to Cal Poly and it was, you know, four hours a day of lift, practice, meetings, whatever.
Mark Burik (25:57.92)
in Northern California and started playing in Santa Cruz and it always really relaxed. It was organized but it was really relaxed. And it was more just like going out there playing for fun a bit. we would do some drills, but then I got to Cal Poly and it was, you know, four hours a day of lift, practice, meetings, whatever. and I think that
Delaney Peranich (26:21.6)
And I think that threw me for a loop, but I really I really liked that structure once I got used to it. yeah, I think it was really nice to have that team environment as well. Whereas in club growing up, it's like you have a group of girls that you practice with, but when you're in college, it's a team. It's a community, you have a culture. It's that's different.
Mark Burik (26:23.187)
me for a loop, but I really I really liked that structure once I got used to it. yeah, I think it was really nice to have that team environment as well. Whereas in club growing up like you have a group of girls that you practice with, but when you're in college team, it's a community or a culture. It that's different.
Weird because I never got to play. and most men won't, in duels where you indoor, okay, you got starting role. So you have this like, I'm trying to beat this guy for starting role, but we're on the same team, so we need to challenge each other. what's the dynamic like and how much stress or pressure or friendships break based on
who the A team is, the B team, the C team, the D team, because you guys have five team duels, right? So A's play versus A's, or you can game it like chess where you wanna put your A on a against their B to hope to get three out of the two wins, right?
Delaney Peranich (27:34.807)
yeah. So honestly, I really lucked out at Cow Poly. I've always been a Cow Poly proponent. I always will be. We had the best culture and we were all pushing each other to be the best version of ourselves that we could be. And I think that's because of Todd and who we picked to be on the team and how he shaped our team. So there would be moments of that where there is competition, but Todd was always very transparent.
Mark Burik (27:49.092)
We could be, and I think that's because of Todd and who we picked to be on the team and how he shaped our team. So there would be moments of that where there is competition, but Todd was always very transparent with each individual and with the team about his thought process and stats and why he's doing what he's doing. So I don't think there were a lot of unanswered questions for people.
Delaney Peranich (28:03.242)
with each individual and with the team about his thought process and stats and why he's doing what he's doing. So I don't think there were a lot of unanswered questions for people. and yeah, obviously I would say the toughest part is being on that bubble of being in the lineup or being out of the lineup. Because there are a lot of players that are stuck at that five six junction where it's like you couldn't
Mark Burik (28:17.475)
And yeah, obviously I'd say the toughest part is being on being out of the lineup. Because there are a lot that five, junction. Where you don't get to play the tournament that counts. Yeah. Okay. But they still play, right? Like it's just like kind of scrimmage off. Okay. So you're getting reps, but it doesn't count to your team.
Delaney Peranich (28:32.301)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (28:37.878)
an exhibition match, yeah. So
Delaney Peranich (28:44.994)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (28:45.269)
But it does count 'cause it might be a starting role next time if you keep winning. Exactly. Okay.
Delaney Peranich (28:49.237)
Exactly.
Yeah. And then regarding like just the different flights and like playing in that format, the dual format, I've heard mixed reviews from my friends of whether they liked that or not. I really did because you're playing for something greater than yourself. And when you hear
Mark Burik (29:07.415)
Because you're playing for something greater than yourself. And when you hear all of your teammates cheering for you, or you look over onto another court and you see your teammate just do some absolutely crazy thing on the court next to you, that really tired me up. So we were playing for each other.
Delaney Peranich (29:16.416)
all of your teammates cheering for you or you look over onto another court and you see your teammate just do some absolutely crazy thing on the court next to you, that really fired me up. So we were playing for each other.
I really liked it.
Mark Burik (29:32.453)
I really like it. That's cool. It it is I get fired up when I see like the little Instagram clips of, you know, the fourteen girls on the side and then there's a point one and you see them all jumping on the side. Like that's not something that we ever got in beach volleyball unless you were playing like it was your hometown tournament and all of your buddies showed up. Like that was the only time where that was cool, but it was never like jumping up and down and getting
fired up for you is more like yay you know and a a little bit of smack talk for the opponents.
Delaney Peranich (30:02.477)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (30:06.23)
like everyone storming the court after a clinched duel, you know, went down to one court two two. It's like there's nothing more electric than your entire thing just toppling over you.
Mark Burik (30:16.803)
So how did you guys do it? Because there's there's always this component of the on-paper stats team and then a relationship that just works. Like when you look at Phil Dahlhauser and Sean Rosenthal, everybody goes if they pair up, it's over for the world. And that did not happen. So like their interpersonal relationship, how they pushed each other.
whatever it was, they're still buddies, but they just weren't the same team that Phil and Todd or even Nick and Phil were, where you go, Here's a good team. It shouldn't be the best team in the world, but it is. How were there any times where like the stats on your college team didn't match up with who played together just because they found ways to win together?
Delaney Peranich (31:15.464)
Yeah. Definitely. even with one of my partners, we seemed to be like evenly matched in skill level, but then when we played together it was kind of we kind of imploded. 'Cause our communication styles weren't great with each other, or there was just a little bit too much history and we couldn't find a way to move past it on the court or like things would just sting a little bit more faster.
Mark Burik (31:27.319)
be like evenly matched in skill level but then when we played together it was kind of we kind of imploded. Communication styles were great with each other or there was just a little bit too much history and we couldn't find a way to move past it on the court or like things would just sting a little bit more fast. and then I had a different partner
Delaney Peranich (31:45.129)
and then I had a different partner another year, and it was so much like a friendly business relationship that our communication was so effortless and no one took anything personally and we were there to push each other. so that definitely matters. Like how the chemistry, the communication, the skill level matchup shakes out.
Mark Burik (31:48.896)
another year and it was so much like a friendly business relationship that our communication was so effortless and no one took anything personally and we were there to push each other. so that definitely matters. Like how the chemistry, the communication, the skill level match of shakes out.
Yeah, I'm I I'm even looking at this team like DJ and Pete Cannoli. So they just they won an Austin, now they won an AVP, and as soon as they partnered up, even though they're states away from each other, I was like, Your playing style, the way that the two of you touch the ball, matches each other perfectly. And DJ was like, Yeah, we're going through some issues because DJ is so analytical, and he goes,
Delaney Peranich (32:35.374)
Mm-hmm.
Delaney Peranich (32:44.845)
I know.
Mark Burik (32:44.973)
Pete just wants to feel it. Like he doesn't, he doesn't really want to like game plan. He just like smooths and rhythms his his way out. but that's always been a a thing with DJ as well, who's got a great podcast called Beach Secrets. If you guys are into podcasts, take a look at his. but it he wants to analyze and discuss everything. And through coaching, I'm like, hey, dude, at some at some point you got a ball, or you have to recognize that partner.
needs to feel and think this way. So you can have one planner and one analytics person and then just one like flowy person who does it, but you have to let that person be that person. Where if they don't want to discuss it, all right, have the conversation out loud in front of them. Don't ask them to absorb it or repeat it back to you so that your side is satisfied and then they get to play the way that they're comfortable.
it's a two on two game and some people you know w when I was playing I was like I needed to be in a battle I needed to feel like this person was trying to take something from me and that is not okay and it's you and me versus them. A lot of people didn't want to be in that like fight with me, but they could play the game really well. and even the guy I got the best results with he wanted to be best friends with everybody everywhere.
And I was like ready to shank people. You know you know, but I like at that point I had matured enough to go, He can do a lot of things physically that I can't. He wants to be happy, let me be angry and we'll play it out. But it it took me into my thirties to see all these different relationships and allow somebody to be who they were so long as they were putting in the work. Yeah. Everything is
Delaney Peranich (34:37.26)
Yeah. Effort matching is really important, however, that shows up. but what you said kind of reminded me of something I watched Miles Partain say. And he said that there are like two types of players, essentially, the intuitive and the analytical. And I've found in my career that having a partner that's the opposite of you can help kind of ground you a little bit of yin and yang.
Mark Burik (34:42.517)
but what you said kinda reminded me of something I watched Miles Partage say. And he said that there are like two types of players essentially, the intuitive and the analytical. And I found in my career that having a partner that's the opposite of you can help kinda ground you a little bit of yin and yang. Yeah, yeah.
Delaney Peranich (35:05.73)
So I definitely had that experience. 'Cause I
Mark Burik (35:06.851)
And there's all those like personality matchups where you look at parents or couples and you go, if two if you've got two of the same person, like kids might not be well rounded. And then if you're both thinking a a very specific way, s someone at some point needs to take the lead in certain situations and somebody needs to take the lead in other situations. and you've got to be okay with that from a relationship.
standpoint, not just beach volleyball.
Delaney Peranich (35:37.794)
Yeah. And also just having those two different perspectives on the court like covers a lot of the gaps. You know, people see things differently by the way that they view and play the game. So having that can cause more discussion, cause more problem solving faster.
Mark Burik (35:44.26)
True. He thinks differently by the way that they view and play the game. So having that can cause more discussion, cause more problem solving aspect. So you you studied exercise science, kinesiology, and as your major, and that's one of the perfect matches for our online program because I was always looking for somebody like, do you know how to coach? Do you know the game at a deep level? And do you know
Fitness, strength, and conditioning, as well as jump and swing mechanics at a really deep level, and has like finally found you kind of a two-year search. that I was slow, I wasn't aggressive on, but it we had a lot of applications that came in, and I'm like, Yeah, no, you're not my educational twin, and that's what this position goes for. But you said that you had.
about four hours a day when you're training for beach volleyball in college and you said meetings what what do you guys do in meetings because I know lifting is lifting of course there's good and bad lifting but what were you guys talking about in your meetings?
Delaney Peranich (36:47.448)
Mm-hmm.
Delaney Peranich (37:05.294)
sometimes it would just be a one on one to discuss where we're at in the season, like how we're feeling, changes we think should be made. Todd liked a lot of player input. A lot of other times it was film review, whether it was the team that we were gonna play that upcoming weekend or our practice film, just to look over skills that we'd been working on.
Mark Burik (37:11.535)
season like how we're feeling we think should be made probably like a lot of player input. A lot of other times it was film review, whether team that we were gonna play that upcoming or our practice film. Just to look over skills that we've been working on. Okay. Now that's what we do exclusively with our online program and then we do the in person stuff in Hermosa and camps. but were there any pivotal
Film moments for you that you're like, thank God I'm seeing this or I've seen this? Or was it did it just feel like homework? Because for me, film some of my film sessions were significantly more powerful than me like being on court and getting reps. I needed to see it. but for you, were there any like college film moments that you
maybe were game changing as far as the the course of your career. Definitely. so we use Huddle Assist and
Delaney Peranich (38:12.834)
Definitely. so we use Huddle Assist and Todd broke down how to eye sequence on defense, whether you're blocking or defending, and showed us on players' approaches as they were coming in, like what points to look at when this person is approaching to hit.
Mark Burik (38:20.673)
Down how to eye sequence on defense, whether you're blocking or defending, and showed us on players' approaches as they were coming in, like what points to look at when this person is approaching to hit. What's their tempo approach? What are their arms doing? Where are their hips? What's their wrist doing? Do they have tendencies? And once I learned how to do that, that helped me on fourth immediately.
Delaney Peranich (38:38.562)
What's their tempo of approach? What are their arms doing? Where are their hips? What's their wrist doing? Do they have tendencies? And once I learned how to do that, that helped me on court immediately. Because once you start to recognize that it's all patterns, you kind of have shortcuts in your brain from that film review. And you can apply that really quickly in the game.
Mark Burik (38:49.303)
Because once you start to recognize that of all patterns, you kind of have shortcuts in that film really quickly in the game. Was that something that he wasn't mentioning or just kind of was happening too fast while you're doing on court that you never picked up or nobody ever talked about?
Delaney Peranich (39:11.286)
I think I just didn't really know how to read a hitter for a little while. I would just kind of I would want to cheat a lot instead of waiting to see what they were doing. I would play percentages in my head, which was not helpful.
Mark Burik (39:13.111)
didn't really know how to read for a little while. Okay. I would just kind I would want to cheat a lot. Hmm. Instead of waiting to see what they would do. Okay. I would play percentages in my was not helpful. Yeah. It's like, okay, they got a shot chart, but it also has to come from shot chart from certain position, from certain body position. Like
Delaney Peranich (39:33.838)
So
Mark Burik (39:42.04)
That's when it starts counting. If you just rely on a sharp chart without body position type of set from where on the court they're hitting, you're really only getting like a maybe a third of the story. Yeah. And Tom little printout sheet for us, and it was There were a couple different boxes.
Delaney Peranich (39:53.047)
Yeah. And Todd also had this little printout sheet for us and it was separated. There are a couple different boxes and you would basically chart someone's tendencies from serversee or in transition. What is their go-to shot when they're in system? What is their go-to shot when they're out of system? Are they with flow or away from flow? Which means like if the set is inside, with flow would be they follow the ball inside. So if the left sider is drawn inside, they're gonna
Mark Burik (40:00.495)
you would basically chart someone's tendencies from service or in transition. What her go-to shot when they're in system. What is their go-to shot when they're out of system? Are they with flow or away from flow? Which means like if the set is inside, with flow would be they follow the ball inside. So if the left sider is drawn inside, they're gonna do a cut off. Whereas the reverse away from flow, if the left sider is drawn inside, they
Delaney Peranich (40:22.744)
Do cut shot, more likely. Whereas the reverse away from flow, if the left sider is drawn inside, they're gonna go back to the line. I go away from the flow of the set. So we really learned and took notes on how to do film review.
Mark Burik (40:30.449)
go back to line. Hm. I go away from the bug set. So we really learn and take notes on how to do film review. And there's so many teams there that you're coming against. Like I guess in a duel you're thinking, I'm gonna line up against one of these three teams, but there's no guarantee, right?
Delaney Peranich (40:57.346)
Mm.
Mark Burik (40:57.545)
So you did you guys go into these matches with with for each match or each duel, did you have a game plan set or film on them? Or did you guys kinda like my college did, we got we thought Penn State was in our way. so every time we requested film from a school, it was them averse against Penn State, them against Penn State, them against Penn State.
So like the entire year we planned on we are going to learn how to beat Penn State at the end of the year, which didn't work out for us. but we knew them inside and out. They were like more physical, better, more capable team. But our entire season was this is the team that we're studying. Everybody else we should beat just straight up.
Delaney Peranich (41:48.003)
we definitely took a little bit more care in each team. Obviously when we played teams that were at quite a bit lower level, we would just go out there and play. But with any of the top twenty NCAA teams, we would do scouting reports. And if there was a potential for teams to switch, we would do scouting reports on both potential teams that we would play. Whether it was the threes and the fours or whatever.
Mark Burik (41:49.326)
We definitely took a little bit more care in each team. Obviously when we played teams that were quite a bit lower level, we would just go out there and play. But with any of the top twenty N C double A teams we would do scouting reports. And if there was a potential for teams to switch, we do scouting reports on both potential teams in the play. Whether it's the threes, the fours, whatever.
How are you transferring that now to playing pro? Like, are you still doing film as much? Do you think you're doing it less than you did in college? 'cause who knows what draw you're gonna get, right? Like, that's a lot of homework to do for a big tournament. Yeah, I tend to do more film in international just because
Delaney Peranich (42:34.142)
Yeah, I tend to do more film and international just because the draws are a bit more set and there is a lot of international video out there. so if I just go onto like VBTV, I can find film on whoever it is I'm supposed to play. And even if it's just highlights, it's something. domestically, it is definitely a bit harder to watch film. But the approach I've taken isn't
Mark Burik (42:41.345)
set and there is a lot of international video out there. so if I just go onto like V V T V I can find film on whoever it is I'm supposed to play. And even if it's just highlights, it's something. domestically it is definitely a bit harder to watch film. But the approach I've taken is I don't necessarily do as much scouting. From video review I ask people when you played them.
Delaney Peranich (43:02.828)
I don't necessarily do as much scouting from video review. I ask people when you played them what were their tendencies? What did they like to do? And then after I usually record my matches after I really like to review the film and see what I missed.
Mark Burik (43:11.103)
What were their tendencies? What did they like to do? And then after I usually record matches after I really like to review the film and see what I missed. Okay. And that's your two last meetings with our members, which are eight PM East Coast time on Wednesdays. The last two meetings you did, you were analyzing your own film, right? The first one, the second one, we didn't have enough to do my own film review, just pulled up
Delaney Peranich (43:35.116)
The first one, the second one, we didn't have enough time to do my own film review. So I just pulled up a video of the Qatar guys because they were are a great example of arm swing mechanics and everything.
Mark Burik (43:40.816)
video of the guitar guys because they are a great example. Arms wing mechanics. Okay. What in the last month, what's one thing that you picked up on about your game or somebody else's game from watching those videos? And if you guys don't know, like the maybe we should theme the the title of this podcast as if you're not watching film but you're trying to improve
You're leaving a ton on the table. even when I was competing at like FIVBs, the first FIVB qualifier I played in, I was playing with Try Born. I got like kind of a lucky draw with an injury and a passport mistake, and then I was available, so got to go to Brazil. but we're warming up, and I had six cameras on me from other teams, like immediately at the highest level.
Delaney Peranich (44:29.059)
Awesome.
Mark Burik (44:39.849)
Everybody is getting film on everybody because of how important it is. And then the people who tell me, like, I'm trying to get better, I'm trying to fix, I'm like, how many times have you put a camera in the back of your court? and they say zero, I'm like, that's step one. Like, at least give us something that we can work with. but in the last month for you with film, what's something important that came came from it?
Delaney Peranich (45:08.734)
most recently I haven't been masking my offense as well, so I've been coming up and showing a little bit more of what I'm doing. before I do it. Especially when it comes to a pokey. Granted with the pokey you do have a I have a lot more range. So like I come up with the pokey, people know I'm doing a pokey, but I can see where they're moving. Can poke around. I still think it'd be beneficial.
Mark Burik (45:11.171)
Recently I haven't been masking my offense as well, so I've been coming up and showing a little bit more of what I'm doing. before I do it. Especially when it comes to a pokey. Granted with the pokey you do have a I have a lot more range. So like I come up with the pokey, people know I'm doing a pokey, but I can see where they're moving. Sure.
and poke around. I still think it'd be beneficial if make my approach the same way, my arm swing the same way, and try and be a little bit more neutral before I attack. Okay. So and then a little bit of like how long can I hide the poke? 'Cause the danger of like being a really good poker is it once blockers learn how and when to peel at that certain level it
Delaney Peranich (45:37.002)
if I make my approach the same way, my arm swing the same way, and try and be a little bit more neutral before I attack.
Mark Burik (46:01.643)
They'll see it and they just won't even jump and now they've got at least a quarter of the court absorbed just from that poke.
Delaney Peranich (46:08.686)
I played I played seven sours and she got me good on one of those. And that's demoralizing. Like it happens, you're just like, shoot.
Mark Burik (46:19.922)
when they peel into a shot and then like if you're the blocker, you peel into the shot while smiling. You know, you can say got you before you even dig it.
Delaney Peranich (46:24.918)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Delaney Peranich (46:30.594)
Yeah. So that's the biggest thing I'm working on right now. I'd say the secondary thing is sometimes on defense. I l kinda let my hips go away from the court. And what I've been working on with my coaches is keeping my hips into the court as much as possible because it guides the ball back into the court naturally. Makes your defensive position better if you're just hips into the court.
Mark Burik (46:37.389)
say the secondary thing is sometimes on defense. I kinda let my hips go away from the court and what I've been working on with my coaches is keeping my hips into the court as much as possible 'cause it guides the ball back and forth naturally. Makes your defensive position better.
If you're just tips into the For so long I treated threes and fours as like don't cross over until you commit. And then you watch like Taylor, Sweden, Norway run their threes and fours. They never Brazil, the Brazilian women, they never cross over until they're an active pursuit. It's like their threes and fours are just big fast shuffles. cause for a shooter.
For somebody who's hitting as a shooter, as soon as you see a hip turn, it's such an easy answer. So, like, you can do a shuffle three or a shuffle four as a defender, and you can always rebalance and then like make a move the other way. So you're still putting pressure on those shots. But that the crossover is something that I wish I stopped doing way earlier in my career.
Delaney Peranich (47:47.394)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (47:55.848)
and if you guys want models of like good people running good threes and fours, watch Taylor, watch Norway, watch Sweden, and the Brazilian women. they played against Nuss and Cloth, who both have different names now that I forget. Brasher and
Delaney Peranich (48:18.734)
It starts with a P. Yeah.
Mark Burik (48:20.885)
Anyway, everybody knows who they are, right? Kristen and Taryn. It's tough when people change names midway through their life. Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (48:28.418)
Yeah. are you talking Tamella and Victoria? Okay. Yeah.
Mark Burik (48:34.529)
Yes. Yes. but you just see them just rocking side to side and the there's not a single crossover and you go, this is how you're taking over so much of the court without giving it away to the defenders. whereas when I was teaching it in my twenties, I was like, Hold, hold, hold, crossover and commit. And it's like, well, as soon as you cross over and commit, you're committed and there's no coming back from it.
Delaney Peranich (48:46.947)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (48:57.45)
Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. And I think obviously that that varies at different levels. Like when someone's a bit younger and smaller, it's harder for them to get as far with the shuffle steps or whatever. So crossing over is more necessary. But definitely at the higher levels, the more balanced you can be, the better off you'll be.
Mark Burik (49:02.347)
Obviously that that varies at different levels. Like when someone's a bit younger and smaller, it's harder for them to get as far with the shuffle steps or whatever, so crossing over is more necessary. But definitely at the higher levels, the more balanced you can be, the better off. Yeah.
Okay, so we went from the shell shock of club to college where it was a little more serious, a little more scientific, and then a lot more hours and professionalism. Now, what was the shell shock or major difference going from college to then competing on A V P and F I B B?
Delaney Peranich (49:36.781)
Mm-hmm.
Delaney Peranich (49:47.192)
So I mentioned before the structure of college. That all went away when you got into pro. You're it's so wild.
Mark Burik (49:54.052)
Isn't that crazy? That in our sport it's like for hardcore structure and then see ya go play pro and do whatever you want. It took probably a year and a half to adjust. And it's just like so wild as though you go from having a coach to having a training staff that's there to help you. Having a strength coach. You know, having all these resources at your disposal.
Delaney Peranich (50:06.304)
It took probably a year and a half to adjust. And it's just like so wild, you know, you go from having a coach, having a training staff that's there to help you, having a strength coach, you know, having all these resources at your disposal to figuring it all out on your own. Finding a coach that you like that you think is valuable. Yeah.
Mark Burik (50:24.597)
to figuring it all out on your own. Finding a coach that you like. How do you tie a net? When when NCAA girls come out to it and they don't know how to tie a net, I'm like, wow. Yeah, things were done for you.
Delaney Peranich (50:40.994)
Yeah. Yeah. No, I actually I learned because I did some side jobs for Mark Paulouy with tournament setup and breakdown. So very valuable thing to know. You can be the the net wizard at any tournament, you know.
Mark Burik (50:49.038)
nice.
Mark Burik (50:53.901)
Be the the net wizard by any problem.
Delaney Peranich (50:59.97)
but yeah, it takes an adjustment period. If you're not in the USA group where all of that's given for you or given to you, it is.
Mark Burik (51:01.235)
Yeah, it takes period. If you're not in the USA of that's given for you It's getting better. Yeah. And the last like especially this year, it's like really kinda locked in and there were a couple of like one year periods where they tried a program and then it got soft and but now it seems like DJ was telling me the same thing this weekend. He's like
If you're in the USA program, you're kind of set. They have their practices, they have their coaches. And now if you're like him where you can't play FIVB with an American, he goes, I don't have anybody really left to train with and train against because they all have their practices. So now I don't have like a twenty person call list. Now I've got like a three person call list to or organize a practice.
Delaney Peranich (51:43.278)
Mm-hmm.
Delaney Peranich (51:51.469)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's great that USA is more organized and whatever, but when you're not a part of that group it it is a little bit more challenging.
Mark Burik (51:55.286)
say is more organized and whatever, but when you're not part of that group more challenging. Mm-hmm. So how did you battle that? How did you you know, you you're in California, you're in Hermosa, Manhattan, and you've first of all gotta get a training squad. How do pros practice with or against each other?
Delaney Peranich (52:20.578)
When I started out, I just did volume, volume, volume. So I was sometimes doing double days and trying to train with as many people as I could so I could meet more people. And then as I met more people and as my body started to fight back, I realized that maybe that wasn't the best and started asking people what they were doing. People that were better than me. like I've gotten coffee with Gina Urango a few times and chatted.
Mark Burik (52:23.491)
did volume, volume, volume. So I was sometimes doing double days and trying to train with as many people as I could so I could meet more people. And then as I met more people and as my body started to fight back, I realized that maybe that wasn't the best and started asking people what they were doing. People that were better than me. like I've gotten coffee with Gina Orango a few times and chatted. Love her.
Delaney Peranich (52:50.87)
Love her. and just some other some other pros. I at Cal Poly, we had a grad assistant named Ali Wheeler. She played on the tour for a few years. She's a stud. I got coffee with her, we chatted, she helped me a lot. and so it's really just gaining knowledge from other people that have been through it, because you don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Mark Burik (52:53.387)
And just some other some other pros. I at Calley we had a grand sister named Ali Wheeler. She played on the tour. Yeah, she's great. So I got happy with her, we chatted, she helped me a lot. and so it's really just gaining knowledge from other people that have been through it, 'cause you don't need to reinvent the wheel. And they've probably made a lot of s mistakes that I
Delaney Peranich (53:16.842)
And they've probably made a lot of the same mistakes that I was making. So one of the first things I did for myself just to take that load off was I hired a strength coach just to help me program for myself.
Mark Burik (53:20.771)
Hmm. Why with your education, why did you think that that was one of the most important things?
Delaney Peranich (53:41.698)
For me, I thought it was decision fatigue.
Mark Burik (53:43.722)
Okay. Because I was making a decision of who I wanted to play with in every tournament, who I wanted to play with in every practice, when I was practicing, how I was practicing. And I would go to coaches, but the way the pro landscape is now, if you don't have the one solid coach, it's a little bit more of a mixed bag. What do you mean?
Delaney Peranich (53:46.947)
Because I was making the decision of who I wanted to play with in every tournament, who I wanted to play with in every practice, when I was practicing, how I was practicing. And I would go to coaches, but the way the pro landscape is now, if you don't have one solid coach, it's a little bit more of a mixed bag.
So you coordinate with coaches that are available, you don't have a coach necessarily.
Mark Burik (54:11.884)
So you coordinate with coaches that are available, you don't have a coach necessarily. Yep. Gotcha. Okay. Hey, do you have an hour after you're done with Taylor and Taylor? Like Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (54:20.076)
Yeah. And then those
Delaney Peranich (54:28.127)
Pretty much. And obviously, like you see coaches that are successful, you want to work with them, but they're usually already committed to someone or a team at the highest level. If they're working with a team. So until you make it there, you kind of have to scrap it up a little bit. and so that was a a source of stability that I could have.
Mark Burik (54:30.631)
like you see coaches that are successful, you want to work with them, but they're usually already committed to someone or a team at the highest level. So until you make it there, you have to scrap it up a little bit.
And so that was a a me take my load off. And I still challenge my strength coach. I ask him questions all the time. But he helps me take a load off in that way. Okay. That's nice. So even though Yeah, I get it. 'Cause there's like things that I can do around the house and in the yard. And I'm like but
Delaney Peranich (54:54.092)
And they can help me take my load off. And I still challenge my strength coach. I ask him questions all the time. But he helps me take a load off in that way.
Mark Burik (55:16.695)
Doing it, actively planning it instead of show up and it's done. There's like there's a benefit to taking the load off your mind to say, like, okay, I've got a plan. I know what I should do. This person's gonna show up for me, or they're gonna take care of it. and there's a lot of that, and especially when somebody like you is coordinating your own travel, figure out hotels or couches, like per tournament.
Delaney Peranich (55:44.46)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (55:46.908)
That's two to five hours. Like if you're trying to do it on the cheap and you're trying to find friends in the area, like who's got a couch? That might be five hours of your day. if you're looking online and trying to save some coin, it's still like an hour and a half, two hours of all right, what's the best flight? What's my best time? and then then you've got to organize your own practice. That's another two hours that starts at.
8 p.m. on some random night until you find four. yeah, okay, so you made the decision, even though it was really up your alley to say I'm giving this to somebody who I trust and then I can lock it in. Yeah. Cool. And sometimes I did this for a year and a half where I was doing my own programming and I success. But I had blind for myself. Mm-hmm.
Delaney Peranich (56:25.016)
Mm.
Delaney Peranich (56:30.924)
Yeah. And sometimes I did this for a year and a half where I was doing my own programming and I did find success, but I had blind spots on myself. And things that I liked to do, things I didn't like to do. So I was biased. I would take my my program a little bit too partially.
Mark Burik (56:44.043)
And things that liked to do, things I didn't like to do, so I was biased. Yeah. I don't love that workout. I I don't love the conditioning sprints, like I can do enough.
Delaney Peranich (56:59.426)
And then also kind of going back to like the team aspect of college, having a strength coach is part of my team. You know? Like I feel that support. And it's really, really helpful. So I think I think it's important to build out a team. I have other people on my team. Eric Baranik, he's been a huge help. I do a lot of film review with him of myself.
Mark Burik (57:01.699)
like the team aspect of college, having a strength coach is part of my team. You know? Like I feel that support. And it's really, really helpful. So I think I think it's important to build out a team. I have other people on my team. Eric Baranick, he's been a huge help. I do a lot of film review with him of myself.
Delaney Peranich (57:29.998)
And there's just been so many other people that have helped me and I've and I like to form a little team. More than just me and my partner.
Mark Burik (57:30.356)
And there's just been so many other people that have helped me and I'm but I like to form a little team. Hmm. Just be in partner. Yeah. I think that's what we're providing for players at scale. now that we've got two, it's like, yeah, you can figure it out on your own all you want, but you when I was looking for coaches to watch film with me, I was like, I think I know what I'm doing and that's the problem. Like I when I watch film
Delaney Peranich (57:57.343)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (57:59.004)
Or when I'm playing, I'm only gonna confirm my own beliefs, you know. And so I need you like we're gonna sit down on a couch here and you're gonna tell me everything about the game from like the way I hold my hands on my platform to the way I approach my set. I wanna be an empty bowl here, you know. Like you just fill me up from the ground up and we'll eventually see what doesn't match up. And if you're
Delaney Peranich (58:04.003)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (58:19.371)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (58:25.493)
If you've been working with some of the best athletes in the country and you're witnessing all of that, I want to hear how your brain thinks. And those pivotal guys were all Olympic coaches. It was Jeff Elzina, Mike Dodd, and and Rich Lamborn. And I was like, no, no, no, I don't want you on the court. I can hire an 18 year old kid for 15 bucks an hour to hit down balls at me for two hours. That's fine. I need your brain. And those were so pivotal.
Delaney Peranich (58:52.408)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (58:55.087)
for a lot of the somewhat success that I had.
Delaney Peranich (59:00.206)
Yeah, no, it really does make a difference to have someone outside of yourself.
Mark Burik (59:03.715)
Hm. Yeah. Yeah. Confirming your own beliefs is dangerous. So you get you get deeper and deeper and deeper into it. And at some point you need yeah, you gotta find your own way, but you also need somebody to challenge you so that your your way is a little bit more well rounded.
Delaney Peranich (59:20.952)
Definitely.
Mark Burik (59:24.097)
So that was the biggest thing, like it wasn't like skill, or noticing that this is a different caliber of athlete. Like the biggest change for you from N C double A to A V P was I I'm not a part of a team, things aren't set up, so now it it's all on me. That was the biggest adjustment initially. Okay. say now it's I've had to make in my own game.
Delaney Peranich (59:43.401)
That was the biggest adjustment initially.
I'd say now it's more of the mental adjustments that I've had to make in my own game.
Mark Burik (59:54.413)
Like what?
Delaney Peranich (59:57.645)
Honestly, really just controlling the thoughts that I'm having on the court. because I tend to be one of those more I like to think about the game a lot and think about tendencies and think about strategy. And sometimes it would just overload my brain. So finding ways to keep myself in that flow state and the very free, like let go version of volleyball that I can play.
Mark Burik (59:58.27)
really just controlling the thoughts that I'm having on the court.
Because I tend to be one of those more I like to think about the game a lot and think about tendencies and think about strategy. And sometimes it would just overload my brain. So finding ways to keep myself in that flow state and the very free, like let go version of volleyball that I can play. that's been
Delaney Peranich (01:00:26.964)
That's been kind of the second biggest battle I've had outside of pros and I I notice like Gina Urango is a huge role model for me just in the way she talks about mindset and everything on social media and in person. the people that have control
Mark Burik (01:00:29.187)
kind of the second biggest battle I've had outside of prose and I I noticed like Gina Urango a huge role model for me. Just in the way she talks about mindset and everything social media and the people that Does she still have her podcast bet on her? No, I think Thanks Jonathan Okay. Might be Okay.
Delaney Peranich (01:00:48.148)
No, I think it's done. It might be. I'm not sure. I know Victoria Dennis is a part of that as well. but anyway, the players that have the most control over their mindset tend to have the most success. And so regardless of skills, I think at this level the game is probably 80% mental, because we all have skills.
Mark Burik (01:01:02.251)
Anyway, the players that have the most control over the mindset tend to have the most success. And so regardless of skills, I think at this level the game is probably eighty percent useful because we all have skills. And there's adjustments here or there with skills, but really it's like how do you read the situations of the court while maintaining in my case a calm.
Delaney Peranich (01:01:18.252)
And there's adjustments here or there with skills, but really it's like how do you read the situations of the court while maintaining in my case a calm or like a level mental state?
Mark Burik (01:01:33.136)
like mental state. How do you do it? I've been doing a lot of breathing through my contacts as well. Okay. So if I'm ever feeling rushed in a rally, I exhale the ball with I do the same thing for setting. I'm a big exhaler. I'm a preset exhaler. Like slow down set.
Delaney Peranich (01:01:38.382)
I've been doing a lot of breathing through my contacts as well. So if I'm ever feeling rushed in a rally, I exhale while I'm contacting the ball, whether that's a pass or really.
Yeah.
gosh, that's what a game changer.
Mark Burik (01:02:02.059)
Well, there's a forced hormonal release that you get. It's like, shoot, now I'm forgetting which. but like when you take extended exhales, hormones get released that deeply relax you. And so even if you're like stressed at home, like the best thing that you can do is take a long, long, long, slow exhale. and that stress immediately decreases. And then I found out and through some indoor setting coaches,
Delaney Peranich (01:02:25.272)
Mm-hmm.
Mark Burik (01:02:31.937)
how much they use their breath in control with their touches to calm themselves down and then also calm your brain. and I I love breathing patterns and I I really when we get into camps, if I notice that somebody's got a a pretty jerky touch or they start getting inconsistent, that's one of the breathing pattern for setting is one of the things that that I kind of focus on with setters after hand mechanics and foot mechanics. Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:03:00.044)
Yeah. No, it's it's really been a beneficial addition to my game.
Mark Burik (01:03:01.363)
It's been a beneficial addition to my game. So So when do you breathe? Like if you had to do it without seeing anybody, how do you instruct somebody to breathe at the time that you're trying to do it right now?
Delaney Peranich (01:03:18.766)
so okay, if we're talking about the set, I'd say I exhale
And prolonging the exhale. So like I start the exhale when I'm about to contact the ball. And then I finish my exhale when I fully finish my arms up. And I can see my hands finish.
Mark Burik (01:03:27.179)
And prolong the exhale. So like I start the exhale when I'm about to contact the ball. Okay. And then I my exhale when I fully finish my own phone. Mm. And I can see my hands finish. Gotcha. Yeah, they teach I mean, snipers, like long range shooters, they teach them the exact same way. Hey, if you want to be accurate, like
You need to shoot within the rhythm of your breath. And usually for them, and that's why I choose to exh right before my set, it's trigger squeeze, right? Like everything comes to a quiet moment where you're not in the middle of a diaphragm flex and therefore you get this like little micro adjustments, and these people have to be hyper accurate, right? I'm like, well, I'm playing pro ball, so I need to be hyper accurate too. Let's see what I can take from another sport.
Delaney Peranich (01:04:10.03)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:04:14.956)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:04:20.915)
or another endeavor and apply it here.
Delaney Peranich (01:04:25.202)
One of the craziest things that I've heard is over the winter Olympics, I was watching the biathlon, which is the skate skiing and then shooting event. And they're so in tune with their breath and their heartbeat that they shoot on an exhale when their heart is not beating. And that was wild.
Mark Burik (01:04:27.331)
Things that I've heard is over the winter Olympics, I was watching the biathlon, which is the skate skiing and then shooting. And they're so in tune with their breath and their heartbeat that they shoot on an exhale when their heart is not beating.
Mark Burik (01:04:53.347)
Yeah. And yeah. The fact that they can calm themselves down enough with their breath and their heart rate to then shoot a target is crazy. What other little like mental
Delaney Peranich (01:04:54.946)
Like that and it's one of the most aerobically taxing sports, if not no, I think it is the most aerobically taxing sport. It's cr Nordic skiing. And yeah. The fact that they can calm themselves down enough with their breath and their heart rate to then shoot a target is crazy.
Mark Burik (01:05:20.655)
fixes have you made? I'm interested because I made a big meditation switch. I know Phil does a lot of meditation. and Headspace, if you guys are listening, Headspace is an app that you can get the free versions or you can pay for it. And there's a competitive sequence. And I listened to that and it totally changed my confidence in how I entered each point. but I I'm interested to hear yours. Like, is there anything mentally aside from
breathing while you touch the ball that you're trying to gather your head and mindset while you're playing. Yeah, so there are a few adjustments before the match, I don't before. Great. I think that's been really helpful.
Delaney Peranich (01:05:56.661)
Yeah, so there are a few adjustments that I've made. before the match, I don't look at my phone for ten minutes before. I think that's been really helpful just to like quiet my mind. And then
I used to get mad at myself a lot because I know what I'm capable of. And so I would if I messed up, I'd get a little bit down on myself and have somewhat of a negative thought. Then I worked with a sports psychologist in college. His name is Jeff Trosch. And he always told me, You can't control your first thought, but you can control your second. So if I have any of those thoughts in my head, I'm always trying to reframe into something productive.
Mark Burik (01:06:13.187)
I used to get mad at myself a lot because I know what I'm capable of and so I would if I messed up I'd get a little bit down myself and up somewhat of a negative thought. And I worked with a sports psychologist in college, his name is Jeff Troj. And he always told me, you can't control your first thought, but you can control your second. So if I have any of those thoughts in my head, I'm always trying to reframe into something pretty good.
Delaney Peranich (01:06:43.65)
that's helped a lot. And then another thing I've adopted is any time the rally doesn't go my way or something happens, whatever, I clap and it kinda just releases everything.
Mark Burik (01:06:43.913)
that's helped a lot. And then another thing adopted is any time the rally something happens, whatever, reclap. And it kind of just moves to Hm Nice. Yeah, I used to tell people to throw shells. I was like, If you don't like a point, you don't like things or like find something on the beach, make that the representation of something bad, throw it away.
like it's done, it's gone. You know, like something because I I I always think that for especially mental training that we need an external conversation, something that you say, an internal conversation, and then a a breathing and a physical either posture or sequence to like signify and solidify everything. So that you got four four points there to hit just to fix one mind.
To and they they end up being as like stop gaps for each other. Right. Like, okay, it if I forgot to give my internal conversation, at least I said it out loud. If I forgot to do my out loud, at least I did my physical sequence. But once you then start them and tie them together, the calm that that comes over, or if you want, like if you're the athlete that needs to be fired, like fired up, all right, good, then it is a like hit your chest really hard.
Delaney Peranich (01:07:52.75)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:08:05.997)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:08:06.139)
it just depends on what mentality you want to go into that point with.
Delaney Peranich (01:08:10.978)
Yeah. I think a lot of the external dialogue that I have that helps call me is with my partner as well. and there's like a a way to talk with your partner that's really productive for both people. my partner and I currently are doing a lot of like one thing at a time, next ball, one pass here. So it's just really breaking the game down into each element, just saying all we need is one pass, let's move our feet.
Mark Burik (01:08:16.851)
is with my partner as well. and there's like a a way to talk with your partner that's really productive for those people.
Mark Burik (01:08:29.815)
thing at a time. Next ball, one pass here. So it's just really breaking the game down into each element. Saying all we need is one pass, let's move our key.
Delaney Peranich (01:08:39.778)
You know, just like breaking it down into one little thing that we need to accomplish, one goal, and that kinda helps recenter instead of like, shoot, I just shanked that ball. You know.
Mark Burik (01:08:40.079)
You know, like breaking it down we need to accomplish one goal. And that kinda helps recenter instead of like shoot, I just shaped that one. Yeah. Yeah, thinking about that mm past error sucks. Well all right, last question. What's one thing that a partner in your history has done that you absolutely loathe, that you hate, whether it's a posture, the way they said something?
or or just an action that you think either most people should try to stay away from or for you specifically, it just does not work for you. Maybe it works for someone else.
Delaney Peranich (01:09:24.692)
The first thing that popped in my head is when someone complains about the set whether they get a kill or not. Like depending on whether they get a kill or not. I had one partner that if she got a kill or if she had a good opportunity, perfect set. If not, it was my fault.
Mark Burik (01:09:26.947)
is when someone complains about the set whether they get a kill or not. Like depending on whether they get a kill or not. I had one partner that if she got a kill or if she had a good opportunity, perfect set.
I had some mental battles with setting out that for a little bottle. that messed you up for for your setting 'cause you got like tight. I got tight. And that's
Delaney Peranich (01:09:50.221)
I had some mental battles with setting after that for a while. But yeah, because I I got tight and that's when I had to learn how to like breathe through it all.
Mark Burik (01:10:03.137)
Hmm. Have you ever heard the the Lloyd ball story with setting? He's a in indoor Olympian for I don't know how long he's on the national team, maybe like 15 years. But somebody who was like, you know, you know, good set just just like higher and a little tighter. And he's like, Yeah, okay. And it was like their first day practicing together. He sets the same ball.
And the guy like bangs it and he's like, that was it, that was perfect. And he's just like, great. Like if you set the same exact ball and they just get a different result. it's so s yeah. Yeah, whining about sets is garbage. Like, especially if you do it after you make the error, that is not the time. You like after you get a kill, that's a great time to discuss.
Delaney Peranich (01:10:44.866)
Yeah, I just gotta keep yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:10:51.597)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:10:58.935)
Perfect or imperfect. If someone traps at you, they know. the no shit the yeah, I I call it the no shit comment. It's like, dude, that's too tight. I'm like, yeah, I saw it go over the net. Like I also have eyes. Thank you for adding that.
Delaney Peranich (01:11:01.28)
And if someone traps you, they know.
Delaney Peranich (01:11:16.27)
Yeah. I know. It's it's so it's so funny. like of course it's good to have good communication about your ideal sets, but it should not be outcome dependent.
Mark Burik (01:11:22.443)
Mm.
Mark Burik (01:11:26.259)
Communication on your ideal sense, but it should not be outcome dependent. Right. Yeah. Pick your battles and don't whine when it's bad. Don't whine when it's heated. Like that's that's a big thing about mental control, right? It's is this the time to bring up this fight? how is it gonna gonna come across instead of just word vomiting on your partner? And then they get worse.
Delaney Peranich (01:11:51.021)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:11:51.158)
You know, like every time you comment on something super specific or super technical for your partner, you're making them tighter. And I always I give this to our campers, like at 1919 or 1920, do you want to play with somebody who has been complimented so much for 40 points that they feel like a god? Or do you want somebody who's been nitpicked for 40 points? Like the choice is yours, like.
Delaney Peranich (01:12:20.803)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:12:21.191)
me, I want the person who has utter confidence, even if it's false confidence at 1919, I I want them to be confident. You know, so I'm not gonna nitpick. I'll do that like in in practice when we're training and all that, but in game, you're gonna feel great. Yeah. No, it's really important. This is actually something Tom told me when I came freshman.
Delaney Peranich (01:12:39.212)
Yeah. No, it's really important. This is actually something Todd told me when I came in as a freshman, that he didn't only pay attention to the girls' skill level or their record when they were getting recruited, he paid attention to how they talk to their partners, talk to the refs, which I think is hilarious coming from him. 'Cause if you do a quick Google and look up Todd gets so fuffin' mad.
Mark Burik (01:12:45.819)
That he didn't pay attention to the girls' skill level when they were being recruited, paid attention to how they talked to their partners, talk to the rest, which I think is hilarious coming from them. Because if you do a quick Google and look up Tonk, it's don't put a map. that's the one one time, you know Yeah, that is his his top hit, which is unfortunate. Like
Delaney Peranich (01:13:10.355)
but
Delaney Peranich (01:13:14.849)
It's so fun.
Mark Burik (01:13:15.107)
Yeah, the for the other seven years that he was number one in the world, like he didn't say anything to anyone, including his partner. And he gets like this one really awful rep that does make a garbage call and that's his Yeah. All right. Yeah, we forgive you, Todd. Like That must have been fun in the locker room just to kinda like leave it playing when he's walking it or something.
Delaney Peranich (01:13:30.026)
Yeah. Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:13:34.798)
I love you, Todd.
Delaney Peranich (01:13:44.128)
Every year at our first team meeting we would play it for all the new girls. Every year.
Mark Burik (01:13:50.723)
That's great.
Delaney Peranich (01:13:52.022)
It's so funny.
Mark Burik (01:13:55.052)
Okay. do you think that any open or qualifier player level people are doing something across the board that they should not be doing, but they all think that's how A VP players do it.
Delaney Peranich (01:14:16.718)
Delaney Peranich (01:14:25.484)
I think maybe one thing that A VP players do a bit more is they don't just go out and play games all the time. They they get a lot more drill reps, practice reps, where you can spend more time and attention and focus on one little piece of the game and break it down. a lot of
Mark Burik (01:14:31.255)
do a bit more is they don't just go out and play games all the time. They they get a lot more
Mark Burik (01:14:40.707)
where you can spend more time and attention and focus on one little piece of the game and break it down. a lot of open or A players I've noticed that they just go out and play, which has its perks, obviously. But I think it's really important to pay attention to the little things as well. So am I breathing when I'm setting? Or, you know, just
Delaney Peranich (01:14:51.274)
open or A players, I've noticed that they just go out and play, which has its perks, obviously. But I think it's really important to pay attention to the little things as well. So am I breathing when I'm setting? You know? Or, you know, just having a serve routine, working on your serve routine in practice and going out and serving fifty balls. Am I s targeting things, you know? Just all those little things, little bits and pieces.
Mark Burik (01:15:09.291)
Having a serve routine, working on your serve routine in practice and going out and serving 50 balls. A nice arguing thinks all those other things.
I love it. I just put up this post. It's like, listen, I could teach you how to do a cut shot. Sure, you might be better at it, but until you've gone to the beach on your own or with two other people, received a ball over the net, received a set, and tried to hit one target a hundred times.
Like there's there's no advice that I can give you that's going to conquer that. I I can make it better once you're willing to do that, or I can make it slightly better once in a while with a technical adjustment. But until you do like the challenges that we give our people in the online program, or until you're willing to just go out and with your warm-up or half hour before your match or after and say, hmm.
This is my time to be Kobe. I'm gonna shoot a thousand foul shots. I'm gonna shoot a thousand like free throws. So there's no escaping reps and focused reps, not just that. And the other way that I give advice for people who are doing it, if you're just playing with your friends, what would it be like if you only allowed yourself to get kills today in the front half of the court?
Done. Like that's your court. This is how you turn a game into a practice, right? Like you're gonna get those same reps, but you've got a a limitation on it, and you do that. the the value behind trying one or two things and just making them elite instead of immediately switching to another skill, like you didn't improve on that skill. You know, you didn't make it better, you just avoided it because you got a you got dug. So I I think.
Delaney Peranich (01:16:57.998)
Mm-hmm.
Mark Burik (01:16:59.679)
More players who just set limitations and say, I am gonna play for two hours today swinging only high hard line, and we're gonna see how it goes.
Delaney Peranich (01:17:09.25)
I actually applied that into a match a few times. so well. Like the first two switches we're doing anything angle, whether it's a shot, a swing, whatever. Now we're going only deep court. Now we're doing this. And then it just like the defense can't pick up on your tendencies because they're not actually your tendencies.
Mark Burik (01:17:12.731)
Shocking how well it works. So well. Right? Like the first two switches were in
Mark Burik (01:17:28.195)
And then it just like the defense can't on your tendencies because they're not actually tendencies. Yeah. You're like, you think I'm making a decision, I'm not. This decision's already made. And there's no defense that would bank on the offense hitting the same swing ten times in a row. They'll always over guess it, you know, and they'll be like, No, no way she'll go for that shot four times in a row. It's like, well
Delaney Peranich (01:17:50.669)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:17:55.681)
Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:17:56.714)
Yeah, I will, because you haven't dug it yet.
Delaney Peranich (01:17:58.64)
We don't just say, yeah.
Mark Burik (01:18:02.903)
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Talk to you about mental. It is a live QA twice a week. We also have the courses and challenges weekly. We'll we'll give you the drills and things that you should work on based on your films and your question. Then you post it. We review it that next week so that we can keep you on track. if you want to do that, head to betteritbeeach.com. And if you want the in-person shorter experience, we've got the three-day camps and the seven-day camp in Punta Cana. You could go to betteritbeech.com.
forward slash camps. and I think that's it. This was a good talk. Yeah, it really fun. Thanks for having me. Of course. Thanks, Delaney. I will see you tomorrow. and yeah, if you guys have any questions, you could always DM me at Mark Barak on Instagram or if it's kind of one of the more Better at Beach questions, you could always email support at better at Beach dot com. go ahead and follow Delaney. What's your Instagram?
Delaney Peranich (01:19:08.172)
Yeah, it was really fun. Thanks for having me.
Delaney Peranich (01:19:32.907)
it's laney.p
Mark Burik (01:19:34.091)
It's Laney dot P. Laney.p. on Instagram. We'll include that in the show notes so that you can track her career. and then if you're smart, you get coaching from both of us. All right. Have a good one, Delaney. Thanks for the talk. Thank you. Everybody, we'll see you on the sand.
Delaney Peranich (01:19:38.307)
Yeah.
Delaney Peranich (01:19:51.442)
Right. Yeah, you too. Thank you.
