Emily Stockman (00:00:00):
When they warm up. I'm looking, who's a better setter or the not so good setter? I'm looking for arm swing tendencies. You know, a lot of players are inside out, outside in, so if the ball, so if I'm a right side player and the ball gets all the way to my right shoulder, a lot of players are gonna take that back angle and
Mark Burik (00:00:20):
Like a cross body
Emily Stockman (00:00:21):
Side. Yeah. Then they're gonna go back to the line. So I'm just kind of looking for those tendencies where the balls at on their body versus the swing that they go to.
Mark Burik (00:00:29):
Okay. Yeah. I guess if somebody's trying to show off, I think a lot of people try to show off and warmups, right? Or like, they, they'll, they'll try to hit hard rather than queuing in, they're their weakest swings.
Emily Stockman (00:00:40):
Right?
Mark Burik (00:00:40):
For sure. So you might be able to say like, where does he look really good? Or where does she look really good? That's probably what she's gonna want to hit when things get down to the wire.
Emily Stockman (00:00:50):
Yes, definitely.
Mark Burik (00:00:52):
Then at least you could get a look at what it looks like when they do go for that shot. You know, so you get those little subliminal messages that might appear for you later.
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Hey everybody, welcome to the Better at Beach Volleyball Podcast. My name is Mark Burik and today we're gonna have a really, really interesting conversation and I think you guys are lucky to be listening right now because we get to learn from an actual, an actual AVP champion, which is sick. We talked a little bit off camera about different types of leadership roles and how she's currently molding her own leadership role and trying to figure out what that looks like for her. And I think we're gonna get into a little bit of arm swing mechanics because, uh, both me and our guests today have had pretty interesting journeys along the arm swing route and, uh, the science of it. More and more articles are coming out. They're, they're being studied and people are revamping the way, actually swing at a volleyball. So we want to talk about that and dive into anything in everything. A V P F I V B training, leadership and mechanics. So you guys are lucky. I'm excited and we are gonna talk to you today. AVP Champion. It gets to live next to your name forever. How sick is that? Emily Stockman. What's up Emily?
Emily Stockman (00:02:15):
Hi.
Mark Burik (00:02:16):
Hi. How are
Emily Stockman (00:02:16):
You? Thanks for having me on. I'm excited to be here. Good.
Mark Burik (00:02:19):
We're gonna have a good talk. Yeah, I, uh, absolutely Winning your first avp. What, here's, here's the question that I always like, uh, to ask. I asked Casey Patterson this once for the final point. Mm-hmm. , if you can go back to thinking, you know, we're in that match and you're about to get AVP champion, right? Were you serving or receiving? Let's, let's walk through it.
Emily Stockman (00:02:38):
Serving. I was actually serving, yeah,
Mark Burik (00:02:41):
You were the server score. Do you
Emily Stockman (00:02:43):
Remember? I don't, it was during, pretty sure it was AVP when they had the free scoring
Mark Burik (00:02:47):
Though. K well, more, a little more freedom. Sure, sure. Honestly like, like there's a little less pressure there cuz you're like, all right, well if I miss this, I can go for it if I miss it. We still got some chances today. Yeah. Were you up big?
Emily Stockman (00:02:56):
We were up pretty big. Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:02:57):
Yeah. So what was going through your mind when you're like, I mean, is it at that point, is it just, don't f it up, you know, ? Like you got this in the bag, like just, just walk it in, just just just go to your home Or were you already fired up or were you focused more like on technique positioning things, things that you had to get done from a technical or strategical
Emily Stockman (00:03:18):
Standpoint? I think from a s strategical standpoint, for sure, we had a really good game plan going in. So it was more about strategic serving and playing good defense. Like I, I'm pretty sure we were up by quite a bit, so it wasn't like a do or die moment. And I'm somebody that tends to like, at the end of matches, wanna get it done fast. So I think in my head I was just like, okay, slow it down. We don't have to finish right now. Just like play steady. Like we have been the entire match.
Mark Burik (00:03:46):
Okay. So more like trying to calm yourself or slow yourself than actually get hyped or do anything extra.
Emily Stockman (00:03:52):
Yes. Definitely needed to calm me in head and and get too excited. Cause there definitely wasn't over. Yeah. There had been previous matches that I had lost when I was at 2015 with the freeze.
Mark Burik (00:04:07):
I fell victim to a few rough freeze matches and yeah, I mean, we've both, and we've all fallen victim to a lot of end of games. Turns everything. Just this weekend I stand against Evan, Evan Corey and Logan. Logan, like, lived with me. They, they both coach our camps and so it's like good buddies, but it's still competition. Yeah. You wanna take him out. Played a clean match all the way through like really good volleyball. And then they started serving me at, we were up 13, 12. Okay. Get into a point, like a good rally. We're about to go to 1412. Like I got touched for the first time in a while during that match. And then it turned into a rally. Then we had an open net swing DJ's about to swing and a ball rolls on the court from the other court. Oh.
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And it's like, that was 1412, but okay, let's move on to it again. Wow. Yeah. And then three points in a row just let up. And they took it 15, 13. And I was just more frustrated than I've been in a very, very long time to play good volleyball, you know? Yeah. And then just comes down a couple points at the end when my mentality didn't change. And then you wonder should it change? Like right at the end, you know, like, all right, I've, I've been doing something that works, so do I keep driving on this thing that works at the end of the game or have they ado adapted? I mean I hit like 20 high lines, like through, through the match, just kept going back to the well wow. And uh, then it was still open. Logan goes and he reaches as high as he can. Like if I literally hit it, his face would have no problem. Um, but he reached above the top of the antenna and got those touches. It's like, shoot, should I have adjusted before he did.
Emily Stockman (00:05:40):
I know hard moments, I think until they stop you twice in a row to not adjust like it's been working and until they make that chest move, then you have to make yours. But yeah, those are hard moments. Um, and looking back is harder than probably playing it out .
Mark Burik (00:05:59):
. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You wanna like, forget it, you know, don't Yeah. Try to figure out what you should do. And, and, and honestly, I would go back to it cuz the shots were open. I would've just hit half inch, half inch higher. Yeah. It's always, I, that's what I'm, I'm telling the, the players in our program, we have like an online course where we, we meet with them twice a week. We review their film and their techniques and it That's awesome. It's so much fun. But we focused on that this last week because I saw somebody ace somebody twice and then the next serve went to the partner and I was like, why? Yeah. Right. , why did this happen? You know? Right. Like, and the, the lesson from last week's meeting was, Hey, you just go back to the well until it runs dry. Like you don't. Right. The thing that I pick is you have two buttons. Right. One of them keeps giving you money. You know, there's like a two, a green one and a yellow one, and you, you press a green one and it gives you a hundred bucks. Do you risk touching the yellow one thinking that it might shut off the green button forever? Right. Where'd you just keep taking your a hundred dollars bills by pressing the green button? Like don't go messing with the yellow button thinking it might give you a thousand dollars Bill
Emily Stockman (00:07:05):
. Right. . Right.
Mark Burik (00:07:07):
Just I'm money while I can get it until Yeah. It's not giving me money anymore. And then I'll I'll try something else.
Emily Stockman (00:07:13):
Yeah, exactly. It's, uh, I think that's one of the most fun things with beach volleyball coming from indoor is just that chess game and learning as you're going, you know, my, our coach always says like, until they do something clean, two, maybe three times in a row, you don't change it. Like, you don't change your defense until they beat it clean. Right. And that's not to say like they do something and I'm the one that shanks the dig. That's not a clean side out, you know, or that's not a clean play by them. So yeah, the chess game inside of the volleyball game is what I think is super fun and just like, yeah, it helps me think about those things as opposed to like, oh, I just shanked a ball or I'm not playing well. It's like, but what are they doing? What's working well? How can we stop that? So
Mark Burik (00:07:56):
It's tough because e even so long ago when, when I got to, and maybe when, when you got to a V p I was like, you have to throw changes to keep them off balance. Everybody talks about like keeping them off balance, keeping them off balance. Mm-hmm. and recently I just switched to vanilla like, this works, keep doing it. And Right. Some people have terrific shots or they're very good at one specific swing and just keep going back to that because that's your strength and if they're not stopping it, your best swing. Well, like why would you ever stop
Emily Stockman (00:08:26):
It? Yeah, exactly.
Mark Burik (00:08:28):
But do you, do you ever find any moments where that I have to change to keep them off balance or I don't want them to get too used to it? Do you still ever implement that just, just to keep things changing or to keep somebody from getting too used to a certain serve or, or getting accustomed to it?
Emily Stockman (00:08:45):
I think serving wise, I would say we probably mix it up more often than not to keep them off balance. But it's not necessarily serving a different person. It might be serving the same spot from a different location.
Mark Burik (00:08:57):
From a different location. Yeah. So instead of changing like where you serve, you're saying, ah, let's just throw a different angle at it.
Emily Stockman (00:09:02):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So we kind of do it that way as opposed to like, oh, we just, you know, ace this person twice, let's throw one at the partner and see if she's involved. We don't necessarily do that. It's just, yeah, like how can we keep this person uncomfortable? We don't want 'em to get comfortable, but if they're re really struggling serving, you know, align to line, then we'll keep that going for a while. So it just kind, it depends on the player and it depends on the situation. It's never gonna be the same in every
Mark Burik (00:09:29):
Match. Yeah. It's weird how some people adjust and then, you know, those players that you can kind of almost put to sleep and then like, make sure you hit 'em with a quicker, I, I think some people, theo a couple of times, I'm not saying that like I have a winning record against Theo, but I've got him a couple of times where serve the other partner, served the partner, serve the partner, but literally I'm talking like a whole game. You know, it's not like, oh, we served this person three times, so now Theo's asleep and we can, we can get him on one. Right. It's like, now you need to be 17, 18 , you know, Yeah. Before he thinks he's not getting served. Right. And then if you serve that other person to keep them off balance, it's gotta be something that jumps on them and surprises them. So if you kind of like loop it to the other person, they have that split second to wake up and, and, and set their platform and get their technique.
Emily Stockman (00:10:16):
Absolutely.
Mark Burik (00:10:17):
You know, so if you throw that mix in, like fire it, don't just give one to the other team, like catch them surprised and rush them on the serve. I, that's how I think about it anyway.
Emily Stockman (00:10:27):
Yeah, no, I love that. I love that. And maybe even a middle serve and make them actually think about it. Different stuff like that. So.
Mark Burik (00:10:35):
Good. Do you have a way that you open games that is, you know, like you always open a game a certain way? Like is it a short serve a, a middle serve without giving away? I don't think any of P players listen to my podcast, so we'll be fine.
Emily Stockman (00:10:50):
Secret.
Mark Burik (00:10:51):
Let's, let's say like this, if, if you were to coach a double A player right, would you tell them to open the serve with the strategy? Like open the game with the strategy they picked? Or are you one of the people that say like, always serve middle at the beginning of the game because everybody's kind of a little shaky and wondering what you're
Emily Stockman (00:11:07):
Gonna do? I would say I'm very strategic about it. Mm-hmm. . And again, just depends on who we're playing, what the situation is. Yeah. I try not to be a specific way when I start the match, you know, I don't wanna go to one swing or one serve. I pay attention to our scouting report and kind of go
Mark Burik (00:11:24):
From there. What would you, if you know, you, you play a lot of world tour as well, so mm-hmm. , when you come up against a team that you literally have no scouting report a lot of matches that, that some people play, especially in the beginning of their career. You know, you're coming up against a team, you know anything about these guys. Not a thing. Okay. Right. Right. What do we do? Do you study them during warmups or do you, do you have a process for feeling somebody out or do you run like a certain couple of serves to say, uh, this is how we're gonna discover what they like to do or what they are doing?
Emily Stockman (00:11:52):
Yeah, I definitely pay attention to their warmups. Try to just get their tendencies or look at what their swings look like. So I pay attention to that a lot. And then serving wise,
Mark Burik (00:12:01):
What specifically are you looking for when they warm up?
Emily Stockman (00:12:05):
When they warm up? I'm looking who's a better setter or who's the not so good setter? I'm looking for arm swing tendencies. You know, a lot of players are inside out outside in, so if the ball, so if I'm a right side player and the ball gets all the way to my right shoulder, a lot of players are gonna take that back angle.
Mark Burik (00:12:25):
Like a cross body.
Emily Stockman (00:12:27):
Yeah. Then they're gonna go back to the line. So I'm just kind of looking for those tendencies where the balls at on their body versus the swing that they go to. Okay.
Mark Burik (00:12:36):
Um,
Emily Stockman (00:12:36):
Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:12:36):
Yeah. I guess if somebody's trying to show off, I think a lot of people try to show off in warmups. Right. Or like, they, they'll, they'll try to hit hard rather than queuing in their, their weakest swings. Right.
Emily Stockman (00:12:47):
For
Mark Burik (00:12:47):
Sure. So you might be able to say like, where does he look really good or where does she look really good? That's probably what she's gonna want to hit when things get down to the wire.
Emily Stockman (00:12:58):
Yes, definitely.
Mark Burik (00:12:59):
Yeah. And then at least you could get a look at what it looks like when they do go for that shot. You know, so you can get those little subliminal messages that might appear for you later.
Emily Stockman (00:13:07):
Yeah. And then depending on where the ball is on their body, it's like then we can kind of determine do we wanna keep them to their line and force them to kind of hit that shot or do we wanna move 'em, serve 'em, you know, to their inside sea, have 'em come out of the middle. You know, stuff like that that we're looking
Mark Burik (00:13:23):
For. What, what would you see from somebody in warmups? Because I, I wanna try to break this down for somebody who's Yeah. You know, thrown down in C B V A a's, what would you see in warmup that says, uh, we should serve this person middle or vice versa? It's
Emily Stockman (00:13:37):
A sideline. If their favorite swing is cross court or you can see that's kind of their go-to, I would bring a middle to take that away from them and make them a little more uncomfortable cuz they don't have as much court to hit into.
Mark Burik (00:13:48):
Okay. Cuz they're closer to the sideline. They have like less, less of the angle and it's Yep. And they're closer to the end line actually. So there's truly less space now in the day. Right, right. Okay. So a strong cross-court hitter, somebody likes to pile into that, try to work them into the middle so that they have a smaller hitting area.
Emily Stockman (00:14:06):
Yes. Yep. And then if you know a smaller player or a player that's very shoey, I'd probably like to keep them more at the pin because once they come out of the middle, they just have, they have the short, you know, they have short sidelines, they have deep angles. They have deep corners. I think those are a little tougher to defend.
Mark Burik (00:14:25):
I hate serving cut shotters wide. I'm like, yeah, I just never want to give them that space. But if they're like poke over the blocks shooting high line over the block, if they're, if they're looking for the defender right then, then yeah, I'm probably more comfortable because it's weird when you see a ball hit away from you. Like when somebody hits out of the middle and you're defending 'em the diagonal and they hit a high line like back to the line mm-hmm. the ball messes you up mentally because it's moving away. Right. So you almost give up, up on it quicker because like, uh, it's leaving me instead of I'm approaching it.
Emily Stockman (00:14:55):
Yeah. And I think it's, you have to either pick a side early, which kind of sucks as a defender cuz you're like, I feel like you're giving up a lot of court. Yeah. Or you kind of go, I formation and hold hoping that they don't come in swinging because you're not gonna get like, you're literally playing for shots only. Yeah. That's what in warmups, that's kind of what we're looking for and figuring out how we wanna serve the team and what we think they're gonna do. And again, it's warmups so it, they could come out totally different in the match, but I think those first seven points are, that's what we're playing into is what we saw in warmups and then kind of evaluating from there.
Mark Burik (00:15:32):
Isn't it exciting when you see somebody warming up and just bouncing, like trying to like hit in the front half of the court and you're just going, please keep practicing that. Please, please do that . Like I would love for you to bounce that steep because we should have a blocker up there and like, this is how you're training to go right into my block.
Emily Stockman (00:15:50):
Yes. Love that .
Mark Burik (00:15:52):
Yeah. It's funny cuz when you're in high school and college like Jesus, these kids bounce and then you get like, wow, 25, 26, 30 and you're just like, go ahead, keep hitting that stupid swing .
Emily Stockman (00:16:05):
I remember in college, like we would be warming up in col, the coaches would be tossing like 50 50 balls. I'm like, that's cool. That looks really nice when nobody's up there.
Mark Burik (00:16:16):
. Yeah.
Emily Stockman (00:16:16):
Good for you guys.
Mark Burik (00:16:18):
I dunno, I, I wonder if there's like a confidence build that that does get you going a little bit to feeling good, but at some point you can only get so many reps from a 50 50 ball hitting steep before you start hurting your actual game.
Emily Stockman (00:16:31):
Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:16:31):
Seriously. So we were talking off camera a little bit about your trying to learn how to transition as a leader. I think we're very alike and that you really pride yourself on a ton of hard work. You know, put your head down, ram your head into a wall a hundred times. I'll come out on top, you know, whatever you need to do. Yeah. You just get it done. And you were saying that your college coach had led, you said you lead by example, but you have to also lead with your voice mm-hmm. and, and your opinions and, and being able to not just have somebody watch you and hope that they notice and hope that they emulate you. Right. But you actually have to encourage them to, to do that. Or to even take a s strategical or psychological leadership position where you're helping somebody breathe or you're telling them what to do next. So can you, can you walk me through what this season has been like? Like right now we're in middle of September, by the time the podcast people hear this might be, might be November. So had a pretty good season and you're in a new role. Yes. Now, so what's, what's
Emily Stockman (00:17:33):
Going on? Yeah, it's been, uh, not the easiest transition for me just from a leadership standpoint because like I mentioned, it's just, it's not something that comes natural to me. Leading by example is super easy for me, but when I have to be vocal, it's just, I don't know. There's times where I'm like, but if I'm asking my teammate to do this, you know, block this ball and then I miss a dig. I've always had this weird like, how can I get mad at her or put that on her if I'm not playing at my best? So yeah, I've been working a lot with my sports psych and just trying to figure out what that means and how I can step into this role as a leader. I'm playing with someone who's a lot younger than me and this is her first year on the pro circuit. Mm-hmm. . Um, so it's been really exciting. It's been cool that I've been able to, you know, step into this role and have to kind of practice it early on. But also, like at the beginning of season, she was still in college, so I was playing with a ton of different players. So I was like,
Mark Burik (00:18:36):
You've played with a lot of people,
Emily Stockman (00:18:38):
So many different people. , I didn't know who I was gonna play with, you know, every day of that week. And so it was very frustrating. But then I,
Mark Burik (00:18:45):
Does that ever make you qu like question your skills or abilities when you're like, man, I've played with so many people, is it because there's something wrong? Or do you consider it like, look how many people I get to play with or, or, or are willing to play with me and give it a shot? Do does it go one way in your head? For me, it always messes with my confidence. It's like, yeah man, I can't stick with somebody long term. There's gotta be something wrong with my game or my attitude or the way I present myself. Yeah. You know, and so you're constantly trying to figure out what's wrong, right. Instead of just focusing heavier on your game. And I'm like, well, you know what, if I dig every ball and I side every ball out, there should be no question. Right. So let's just, uh, like I'll go back to that, like, let me side out better and then we'll figure
Emily Stockman (00:19:27):
It out. Honestly, the two times, so the beginning of the season 2018 and then the beginning of this year, because I didn't have a partner right away mm-hmm. , I felt like I grew the most in my game because all I did was focus on me. I didn't have to worry about a teammate. And this year was a little different because I knew that I was gonna play with Meg. It wasn't that I was looking and couldn't find a partner, it was that she had to finish school and then we knew that when she was done we are gonna play together. So it was me just kind of playing with people until she was done. So it, that definitely didn't, if anything it just, it helped my mindset of like, I'm focusing on me. This is all I care about right now. And in those moments I felt like I've grown the most. Like
Mark Burik (00:20:12):
What now? What, what is it grown, uh, physically or just allowed you to be calmer in your head or
Emily Stockman (00:20:18):
Both? Physically, mentally, because, you know, we're talking about leadership and every day I was on the court with somebody new and I had, you know, me and my coach and even though Meg wasn't there yet, like, we have
Mark Burik (00:20:31):
Coaching you right now.
Emily Stockman (00:20:31):
Uh, Scott Davenport.
Mark Burik (00:20:32):
Oh, great coach.
Emily Stockman (00:20:33):
Amazing. Fantastic.
Mark Burik (00:20:34):
Yeah.
Emily Stockman (00:20:35):
Yeah. So we have a system we, we run. So it was like anytime someone new came in, I had to be like, this is, I need this at this time. This is the set we're running in this situation. Defensively, I was quarterbacking everything. Hmm. This is what we're gonna do. This is, you know, and we were playing against players that I've played against my whole career, so I know their tendencies and I know these things. So that was a really good learning experience for me, talking about leadership and really stepping into that role. So that win may came out. I was already practicing it and working on it.
Mark Burik (00:21:08):
But isn't that, isn't that hard because you're, okay, so, so you're playing with girls at a very high level, right? Mm-hmm. and then you are telling them this is the system we are running. I know we're not playing together. Mm-hmm. But this is the system we're going to in practice. Is that just you being maybe bolder and more courageous than they are? Like where you don't run their system, you run your system? Or were you picking players that you knew were excited, you know, to, to play with you for that day? How, how did that go? Because I imagine when you're, you wanna practice a system that you're in and I know cuz I kind of hovered around John Heiden for a long time mm-hmm. and his partners and Yeah. With his partners. You know, he, he left Evie here to teach the bigger guys John's system and like, you have to be here cuz John moved to Nashville. And so they had to learn how to run that with guys that don't really run John's system, but they're, they have to with this new partner. Right. So how, how are you navigating that with somebody new playing your system versus playing theirs when you're almost equals?
Emily Stockman (00:22:08):
Yeah, for sure. I think John specifically runs a very, his system is very specific to him. I think, I mean we definitely have stuff that's specific to Meg and I, but it's also just like a general system. You know, when we're out a system we want the ball pushed all the way up to the net. Okay. When we, you know, um,
Mark Burik (00:22:26):
Is there anybody who doesn't ask for that?
Emily Stockman (00:22:28):
I definitely, there's people that they want it up to the net but sometimes they want it in the middle. Sometimes they don't want it all the way to pin.
Mark Burik (00:22:35):
Okay.
Emily Stockman (00:22:36):
Okay. There's definitely a wide range when it comes to that.
Mark Burik (00:22:39):
Yeah. Cuz the whole like juniors like, uh, set it half court or don't set me to the net when you're in trouble and then you Right. You get to a qualifier and you're like, wait a second, everybody can dive off the court and set perfectly on the net. Like that's exactly, I guess that's how we gotta do it.
Emily Stockman (00:22:51):
. Yeah. I think, uh, that stuff is always, it's always, I think it's gonna be uncomfortable for people right at the start, but I also think it helps people just grow their game cuz they realize like, oh I can do this and this does make sense in this situation. Different stuff like that. So, you know, and the players that I was asking to come to practice, they're all professionals so it's not like I'm asking them something that they can't do. Yeah. You know, so yeah, it was, uh, but then, you know, and even like I played with Lauren some tournaments I played with M Day and some tournaments and if they wanted something different I would give that to them as well, you know, I'm not gonna like completely force. Like no, this is the only way I do it. It's like, this is the set that I want, but in this situation, if you want that, then I'll give that to you.
Mark Burik (00:23:36):
Okay. So it's really about asking, it's more, it's less what you're setting, but more what you need as a hitter in various situations that like Yes. That it's important to discuss what you need and, and when you need a a, a specific change or a specific location. So it's not an, not necessarily always an entire system change. Just a Right. This is how high my set is, this is how far off it is. Yeah. Unless you're setting from the back half in that case, then we're gonna go here and here.
Emily Stockman (00:24:03):
Yep. Exactly. And I think too, you know, people would come to practice and they have no idea what they want. And that to
Mark Burik (00:24:10):
Me, isn't that wild? Oh my
Emily Stockman (00:24:12):
God, I think it's a problem. I'm like, wait, but
Mark Burik (00:24:14):
These stair
Emily Stockman (00:24:15):
Come up.
Mark Burik (00:24:16):
You do it in hitting lines and then Yeah. And then you set a ball and they say, yeah, that's perfect. What was perfect about it? Like, was it because it was like that far off because it was inside outside. So I like Adam Roberts, getting to play with him was so much fun cuz he had this one statement when he would set you, he would set you and then say, was that a seven or an eight? And how do I make it a 10? He didn't say rate it, you know, he, he didn't say, was that a good set? Because then you get the generic yes or no answer. Right. Or the, or the even worse. Like no that's fine. Right? It's like, oh my god, now I'm in, now I'm in a relationship argument. Like if somebody says I'm fine, you know, we're in a bad spot. ,
Emily Stockman (00:24:57):
Those words are never good.
Mark Burik (00:24:59):
never good. Um, but like I love the way that he put it where his, was that a seven or an eight? How do I make it a 10? Like he said all of that before he even said one word. And I've always said that is the best way to, to ask, like, to start learning what set someone needs.
Emily Stockman (00:25:16):
Right. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Those things are important. You know, it, I think at our level there's a lot of people that have a big hitting window, but at the same time it's like, but what is the perfect step for you? Because that's what I'm gonna try and get you every single time. And if I'm gonna err, would you prefer me to err hi, would you prefer me to err inside? You know, those are conversations that even if I had someone out there for one day of practice, we start practice with those conversations because it's important cuz you want each other to be able to play your best in that situation. And so you have those talks before you even touch a
Mark Burik (00:25:49):
Ball. The amount of times that I've switched partners, , you know, you always know that you go through all these same talks that are actually like, very important. And until you have them, you don't actually know what people need and where. So it's just like, you know what, so many people play with so many partners that I'm just gonna make something for everybody. And we did this where it's, uh, if, if you can see it on screen right now, it's better at beach.com/partner profile. It's not a paid anything. It's just literally a set of questions that you should ask your partner before you start playing with them. And it, it gets a little bit uncomfortable because it forces you to be exact with what is your favorite set. Mm-hmm. , I I ask in this, in this little questionnaire, it says, no, no, how many feet off of the net is your favorite set.
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Okay. Yeah. And then do you like your setter? Do you like your set as a relationship from the setter? Mm-hmm. Or from the antenna mm-hmm. . Or is it it just like a, like a fixed point? Because that's important. Some people are like always five feet off of you and you're like, well that's not always because you know, if I'm at 10 feet or 15 feet we're, it's definitely not gonna be in that same spot. Right. Right. And then it says, you know, how far from the setter or how far from the antenna, and then it comes with a of course another 20 questions. But if you guys are ever interested in the most important questions to ask your partner, it's not complete, it never is. But it's a really great tool to have. So check out better at beach.com/partner profile. It's on the screen right now and we'll link it below. But it's a great questionnaire to go through so that you don't have to go through those stupid conversations after you lose a point. Right.
Emily Stockman (00:27:23):
. Yeah. Seriously. Is there stuff on there too about like from a mental side, if one of you is struggling, what do you need from your partner?
Mark Burik (00:27:31):
Um, we have, I started this at the same time though, I was going through the marriage counseling before you got married. We wanted to go to a therapist and be like, you know what, if I get a coach for volleyball, damn sure I'm getting a coach for the re relationship for the rest of my life. Yeah. Like somebody, somebody get me to my highest. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, and so it was, there was a lot of like, you know, absolute turnons, absolute turnoffs. Like what's a word that just disgusts you when you hear it or Right. Or an intonation that always turns you off. And it might have developed, you know, when you're a kid or somebody wants, for me, if somebody ever looks at me and says, don't be lazy, that, I mean we're immediately not friends, I'll, I'll shut you out because I'm like, to me that's like, you don't know a damn thing about me. Right. If you put the word lazy in my universe. Yeah. Uh, , you know, so it's like you should not put anything like that . Yeah. Yeah. You know, cuz I promise you I it won't be, but yeah, it, it talks about what to do when I'm down. Uh, it asks you the best way to fire you up or to act before a match. Mm-hmm. , do you like to like put yourself under a towel and breathe? Or do you want to slam each other in a chest and get fired up? Yeah. . Yeah.
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It's a fun questionnaire. Um, and it's cool, cool to go through. I took Tim Brewster and Kyle through it, Kyle friend, when they started playing together and they loved it. And it was only cuz I was playing with Dave Lee for a practice and I was like, Hey, let's, let's learn each other's games again and let's go through this. And Kyle and Tim loved it and uh, David was like, this is so important. He's like, teams don't do this, guys don't do this. And I was like,
Emily Stockman (00:29:05):
Yeah, that's fun. It can seem like the silliest things, but you're like, no, in those moments it really matters. Like, that could be a one to two point swing, which could mean a match
Mark Burik (00:29:16):
13, 15,
Emily Stockman (00:29:16):
You know? Yeah, exactly. What did you need from your partner when you guys ,
Mark Burik (00:29:21):
Right? You guys
Emily Stockman (00:29:22):
Lost that match?
Mark Burik (00:29:23):
Yeah. Oh man. Brandon, when we were playing together like a couple of times kind of during the serve toss, he finished a thought or made sure that I, that I had this in my mind during that. But that for me served as a complete distraction. Like, I'm queued into the server and now I'm supposed to pick up information from somebody next to me, me. Right. So I said after the second time that happened, I was like, Hey Brandon, whatever we have to talk about, we have to talk about way before this. The serve starts. I go, as soon as the ball's in that guy's hands, I can't have any words because I, I need to focus completely on passing. And so that fix that, that little micro problem there, you
Emily Stockman (00:29:56):
Know? Yeah. That's amazing. Communication. It's that simple.
Mark Burik (00:29:58):
It's wild how important it's and how Yeah. Kind kind of bad at it. Most people are
Emily Stockman (00:30:03):
Seriously, and I think that's what comes along with leadership is there's been times that maybe I felt a certain way in a match or yeah, there's something going on and I always hold it in. And that to me is like, you know, if I verbalize that to my teammate, she could either step up or maybe she's feeling the same way. And it's like, that is huge. Just the open communication can change the demeanor can change the energy of a match or whatever.
Mark Burik (00:30:29):
And then people have to learn how to communicate. Right. It's, it's not only that you say it. Yeah. But how do you put it? I share the story a lot, but piore, when, when, when I finally beat Hayden and uh, and got Theo, it was because Pyotr said, Hey, I think I see a tendency when this is happening. I think he goes here when this is happening. I think he goes here. Yeah. He didn't say, dude, stand wider or make sure you're covering the seam. Right? Mm-hmm. , he said, I think this is happening when this happens. Didn't gimme any instructions. Yeah. But show, like shared with me what he was seeing mm-hmm. rather than telling me where to go. And that made me still feel comfortable and say, huh, all right, I'm cuz I don't have any tendencies picked up right now. I'm like just out here scrambling. And yeah, that little key helped us win that game. But I think it was because he put it in such a good way mm-hmm. that I was wide open to the rest of it. And of course, you know, I wanted to keep playing with him. So I was like, whatever you say Peter, , ,
Emily Stockman (00:31:25):
I got you bro. Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:31:27):
. Yeah. But it's, it's nice when you learn how to communicate things and Yep. With, with various people.
Emily Stockman (00:31:32):
Yeah. How do people respond to certain communication? That's all part of being a leader. All the stuff that I'm learning and working on right now.
Mark Burik (00:31:38):
What do you think, if you had to announce like a, a biggest weakness that you, you know, that you've developed or something like that in terms of communication or leadership mm-hmm. , would it just be that you're just not ready and willing and wanting to talk?
Emily Stockman (00:31:52):
I don't think I do it purposefully. I think it's more of, oh, she probably sees it too so I don't need to say it or Yeah. Something like that where it's just kind of like, or, or I've already said that so it doesn't matter. And I even went through it, you know, a few years ago.
Mark Burik (00:32:07):
You feel like you're nagging them Right. And you feel like you're nagging them. Yeah. You know, if you say it two or three times, you're like, no, she knows now she's gonna get pissed at me because I've said it the third time instead of Yeah. Yeah. Okay, go ahead.
Emily Stockman (00:32:17):
Or there's, yeah, like a few years ago when I was playing with Kim d Cello, we were in China and I was so sick before the match and I didn't tell her so after the match I was like curled up in a ball, like stomach hurt so bad. And she's like, why didn't you say anything? I'm like,
Mark Burik (00:32:34):
She thought you were mad at her
Emily Stockman (00:32:35):
To like change how you were playing. I don't know. You
Mark Burik (00:32:38):
Know? Right. Yeah. You don't want them to have to lean on you to change their game. Yeah. Yeah. I've been in that same situation where you're like, do I tell them and then they feel like they have to take so much weight or they have to go on two more. Right. But if your team you do, you have to share it just because like if you're for the first time not talkative and not celebrating, she might randomly interpret it as Emily's mad, she pissed at me. Yeah. Like, I don't know what I did, but she is pissed at me. Mm-hmm. and then, then that turns her game off more than, than if you were just sick. And she was just like, okay, I'll fight through this with you.
Emily Stockman (00:33:10):
Yeah, exactly. It's the littlest things. And that was definitely a learning experience for me and it's been a game changer now. You know, cuz there's times you're on the road and you're sick or you don't feel well or whatever's going on, you know? Mm-hmm. , it's, yeah. It's good to share those things with your teammate and hopefully they don't, you know, they don't overreact and like, oh, now I have to do this, this and this. But if you have that open line of communication from the beginning, they're not going to, it's gonna be, you know, it's a two-way street. You guys are helping each other in different scenarios.
Mark Burik (00:33:38):
How like arrogant is, is the mindset to say like, they can't handle this information. , you know, you, you're making their future for them without, without even knowing how they're gonna
Emily Stockman (00:33:51):
React. Yeah, absolutely.
Mark Burik (00:33:52):
Partner dynamics,
Emily Stockman (00:33:53):
It's like a marriage. Right.
Mark Burik (00:33:55):
. It's way worse than a marriage. I'll tell you that. I love, good to know. I love being married. Uh, I'm so happy I'm comfortable in my marriage because I know she's not going to leave me, you know, next weekend, she's not gonna go run around. Some people don't have that comfort, which is like terribly suck to them. Yeah. But like, hey, I'm, I'm made a promise, I'm in this to the bitter end like we're, we're going. Yeah. And then that having that faith of like, you know, whatever I say, whatever I open up to you. Yeah. It's gonna be a fight, but we're in this for life. Right. And I was able to get that from my brothers. Like we, me and my brothers can get real pissed at each other and get into some uncomfortable yelling matches. Mm-hmm. . But we do that and we get through the fights early and fast.
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Yeah. Because it's like, you know, one time me and my brother were discussing how much time I should get with my nephews when I roll back into town from California. You know, when I go back to New York, I was like, what? Okay, so he is gonna miss two hours of sleep. This is my only weekend here. And he was like, Hey dude, we have a life and a schedule. You can't just roll into town and change everybody because you don't have to deal with the next week of him being too tired to wake up for school. Right. And so we're both coming from a good place, you know? Right, right. But we're really, really mad at each other. And so I stormed upstairs, I was like, let's get through this right now. You know, and we like yell at each other, yell at each other because I know that at the other end of that fight, like we're together for life.
Emily Stockman (00:35:18):
Right. Exactly.
Mark Burik (00:35:20):
So you have that good confidence and if you could almost go into a lot more things with that confidence of it's okay to fight because we're still going to be together, you should fight and it's inevitable that you will fight with the ones that you love. And if you don't, it means you're kind of taken away from that relationship cuz you can't progress mm-hmm. without it.
Emily Stockman (00:35:39):
I totally agree with that. And I think that's with partnerships too. Like you don't have to agree on everything. You don't have to see eye to eye on stuff, but can you respect each other work through it to where you're both getting what you want and you both are comfortable, you know, in this situation and knowing that they're not looking other places. If you have a bad match, you shouldn't have to worry if they're gonna jump ship. Yeah. Um, I think for me, I've been lucky enough, I've played with a decent amount of people, but I don't think there's ever been a situation where I was completely caught off guard. Like, I'm out. You know, we've always kind of been on the same page because of that open communication. So
Mark Burik (00:36:16):
I, I knew in a couple of moments like, well this is over . There there were a couple of tournament moments where I was just like, you can't, like, oh we're done. Yeah.
Emily Stockman (00:36:28):
The worst
Mark Burik (00:36:29):
Before the match finishes, you're just like, uh, this is one of the last two matches we ever play together. .
Emily Stockman (00:36:36):
Although I think sometimes in those scenarios is when you play your best, cuz you're both checked out and you're like, well, nothing to lose now. Right. First of all, I've heard, I don't know
Mark Burik (00:36:44):
. Yeah. Sometimes, you know, you're like, if we can't get along then I'm gonna do my thing completely and a hundred percent. Yeah. You know, and you, you almost stop relying on them. I think there are moments for defenders especially and blockers to stop making calls. Yeah. To just say, you go up and whatever you see you block or you try to stop them. Mm-hmm. , I'm gonna do that same thing back here. Yeah. If we happen to leave a spot open because we saw a different thing. All right. But if we're both semi-decent at reading and seeing what's happening and we're both making those kind of moves or guesses into it mm-hmm. , then you're almost in a better spot than if you're making coordinated plays.
Emily Stockman (00:37:21):
Yeah, totally.
Mark Burik (00:37:22):
I I find that especially in like grass and big court. Yeah. It's play calls and big court are so stupid. Like you have to Right. You have a mile to run in a mile to side out. So you might as well both go instinctual.
Emily Stockman (00:37:33):
Yeah, absolutely. I always give my blockers like, yeah we have this play called, but if you read something else, you have the freedom to throw your hands in there or mm-hmm. you see something different and if they score, they score. As long as we're both on the same page, it's like, Hey, I read this. That's my bad, you know, I read this and it was wrong. My bad. No big deal. And we're back to it.
Mark Burik (00:37:54):
I love those conversations. What did you see? Sorry, I saw this elbow drop so I jumped on it. Great. Yeah. Cool. Like I, if you have a good reason for what you did Yeah. You're in a good spot because I probably would've done the same thing if I saw that. Absolutely. Yeah. I hate when people talk about stealing, but like, oh you stole my hard driven cross egg. It's just like Yeah. You mean he went for a block be, you know, know if he misses by half an inch, he's half inch away from a point immediately.
Emily Stockman (00:38:17):
I'm just like, hey, if you read it fully commit mm-hmm. like if that's what you wanna do, just make sure you do it full and we're good. Yeah. And if it's wrong, that's wrong.
Mark Burik (00:38:25):
Or defender, just make sure that you call that like, I I call that a a hook play. So this is like one of the plays where I say, hey, you're blocking line, but you are showing him that you're blocking line, you're gonna reach as high as you can. You have zero responsibility for hard cross. I want him one-on-one. Yeah. And hard driven, right. Like your job is to reach high and touch the high line. Cuz I'm not even gonna really focus on the high line. Right. But I want him one-on-one hard driven so you let him go. But that's a very specific play call up against, I'm not gonna do that against like Taylor Sanders like
Emily Stockman (00:38:55):
Right,
Mark Burik (00:38:56):
Right. Take my head off , bounce it 10 people.
Emily Stockman (00:39:00):
Simple line. You're good.
Mark Burik (00:39:02):
. Yeah.
Emily Stockman (00:39:03):
.
Mark Burik (00:39:04):
But guys who are hitting high and flat, like Yeah, I, I'll take them one-on-one. A hard driven. Yeah. So absolutely. But that, that's gotta be a specific play call I think. Yeah.
Emily Stockman (00:39:11):
Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:39:12):
For sure. I like the, I always like, I kind of do this and this, so I, I I show fists and then line fists and then line like, hey, your ball first. Yep. And then if they're like off or if they're uncomfortable, then, then you switch to the line ish.
Emily Stockman (00:39:25):
Yeah, absolutely. I love that too. Like always ball first no matter what we're doing. Yes. But if the set gets tight, whate like plays off and you freaking grab ball.
Mark Burik (00:39:35):
Mm-hmm. isn't another worst feeling as a blocker when you like run a four or a three when the ball was sitting like on top of the net and you dive out of the way and watch somebody bounce it. Yes. And you're like, oh, why did I stick with the play call ? I
Emily Stockman (00:39:48):
Know. It's so hard. Yeah. I think it's harder as a blocker. Megan and I played the Laguna Open last weekend and did some split blocking and I'm just like, yeah, when I'm blocking I'm like fully committing to what we're calling . Sorry, that's my badge . I'm like, oh, I'll tell you to go ball first. Maybe I should listen to that.
Mark Burik (00:40:09):
so funny. Ryan Dardy had a story about that they told like our campers one time he was like, yeah, when people were telling me to block the line, it was like, make sure that you're protecting the line. So he was, he's like, I I had to figure out that something was wrong because I was over by the antenna watching somebody hit the middle of the court, like sideways , you know, . And he's like, I had the line. He obviously got a little better at that. Yeah. Let's talk arm swinging. You said you've made some changes. So let's ask one of the fun questions. What are you doing differently now that people told you for most of your career earned juniors or in college that you have said Uhuh? Uh, I'm actually gonna try to this. So, so what's changed from what you were taught to, to how you're applying it now? Like one of the things with your arm
Emily Stockman (00:41:01):
Swing, I would say it's just different from indoor to beach. Okay. Because I've worked with Scott since the very beginning of my beach career and that's one of the first things we worked on when I started working with him in 2014. I tend to have a big draw in my arms. I have very long arms and so my swing becomes, my arm becomes late like my hip and my body will go and then my arm's late. So we've been working on just keeping it more compact and it's more of thinking of like squeezing your shoulder blade than like drawing your elbow back. Oh right. So it's like he, it's like a rubber band. Like that's how he explains it is that, you know, you pull a rubber band tight, it's gonna wanna let go mm-hmm. . So as soon as you're leaving the ground, you draw that shoulder blade back and by the time you're in the air your arm wants to release.
Mark Burik (00:41:48):
Anyway. I like that. The visual that I got, because it's kind of similar, like I would pump my oval back, the, the muscles in the back of my shoulder would flex and tighten mm-hmm. and there would be no movement in my shoulder blade. And then I got to work with, uh, Isaac from, from Torque Vbe Isaac Neal Oh fantastic. With arm swings. Yeah. Um, he really opened up my wrist away to like, now I actually get kills down the line, which yeah. Wasn't happening before that. But we, we talked a lot about how the shoulder blade and the rom boy act and drawing that down and I think some people open, but when you like open your shoulders or you spread your elbows, you kind of flex the back of your shoulder a little bit instead of, I know I look like a chicken or something, uh, , but, but squeeze in the shoulder blades while still having a loose arm. And that's really difficult. Some people can't do that. Like if you're sitting at home right now, can you squeeze your shoulder blades together and still have completely loose arms and like wiggle them around? That's a good test because a lot of people squeeze their shoulder blades and their upper arms and now the whole thing is rigid and when it's rigid you get no power. You're not drawing like back with your elbows, but you're still kind of getting that position but just mm-hmm. more from a shoulder blade activation rom boy.
Emily Stockman (00:43:01):
Yeah. And I'm not even worried, we don't worry about where the elbow is cuz it's gonna be different for everybody. Like you don't have to draw it high, you don't have to draw it low. It's whatever happens when you pull that shoulder blade back and then there's no hesitation on the swing. So as soon as you're leaving the ground, your shoulder blade's back and then you're through the ball most of the time before Blockers hands are even in position. So that's what's so great about this arm swing is that it happens so fast that most blockers aren't even gonna be in position before you contact the ball. So it doesn't matter, it really doesn't matter how high you're hitting over the net because your arm swinging is going to be done by the time they're fully in
Mark Burik (00:43:39):
Position. So then are you, are you kind of hitting on your way up or like you're starting your swing before you hit the top of your jump?
Emily Stockman (00:43:47):
Yes. So I'm basically, the way I try to do it, and it's not always, it doesn't happen as early as you think it's gonna happen, but I am starting my arm swing on my step close. Oh. So by the time I'm in the air, I'm through the ball and it's done. Okay. It obvious it doesn't happen that early, but that's what it feels, that's what it should feel
Mark Burik (00:44:08):
Like. Okay. So that's kind of, yeah. So if we watch you in super slow motion, maybe it wouldn't seem like that, but to get, to cue you to doing that. Yes. Where like your coach is saying start swinging when you're on the ground. Yes. Almost. Yeah. Yep. I like that. There's a bunch of weird stuff that you tell athletes where you're like, this isn't actually what's gonna happen, but this is what you have to hear to make it happen.
Emily Stockman (00:44:30):
Exactly. Do. And that's for me, like, I've been playing this sport now for eight years and it's like I still need those cues and to feel like that, you know, to make the arm swing accurate. And then along with that is our finishing points. So I play on the right side. If I'm gonna swing line, I finish all the way through to my right hip. If I'm swinging for the seam, I'm swinging all the way through my legs. And then if I'm swinging angle, shoulder, hip, everything goes together and I'm finishing down to my left
Mark Burik (00:45:00):
Hip, you're still giving those cues. I, for me, I found that when I gave the cues of like which pocket to finish in mm-hmm. , I found that a lot of people were accelerating and, you know, maybe it's, I do a ton of coaching and a bunch of different athletes, but I see people who are tight so they're, they're a little too tight in their chest to actually get their shoulder blades back. So first it's huge mobility and like downward dog stretches that they need to get for a proper arm swing. Um, where they're like, I can't hit the ball. And it's like, well, we're in for two months of mobility work and then we'll start working on your arm swing . Yeah.
Emily Stockman (00:45:30):
First things
Mark Burik (00:45:30):
First. But, but when I gave some players the cue of which hip or pocket to finish in, I found that they started accelerating their hand after contact instead of like loading behind the body and swinging up and then almost relaxing until their pocket. Have you ever gotten that cue to finish up instead of where you're finishing like down by your hips? No. Or you just never needed it? Not
Emily Stockman (00:45:54):
To finish up, but again, like yeah, I think everyone's cues are different, right? So it's not, I think that's something for me that just doesn't, doesn't stick or wasn't necessary.
Mark Burik (00:46:03):
This is like a cool talk. So for those of you who, who listen to multiple episodes, if you're looking for, I'm not saying converse and we're definitely not saying that either try or Phil or Emily are wrong, but we are saying that yeah, this is why coaches exist and that they can have different athletes hear different things. Because we had a conversation with Trey and Phil where they're both like, I had to learn how to swing up and stop finishing. And you'll see some of Trey's hardest hits. He like kind of stops with his hands still above his head. But if you have an athlete that doesn't need to hear that cuz she's still operating high and she's becoming more accurate with a certain cue, then that's the cue that that athlete needs to hear. So when, when I get all of your guys hate mail and you say, well you said this in this video and then you just posted a reel that says the opposite. Yeah. On Monday and Friday you might need to hear two different things to get to the same place.
Emily Stockman (00:46:50):
Absolutely. and I think too, it's uh, I had shoulder surgery back in 2010. If I go up and stop my arm swing, I feel like that puts a lot of pressure in my shoulder joint. So I don't wanna stop like all the momentum I just created. I wanna keep going and swing all the way through.
Mark Burik (00:47:06):
You let it relax all the way through so that you don't fight the stop with the back
Emily Stockman (00:47:10):
Of your shoulder. Yeah, I think sometimes too, coaches say things a different way. I think that's kind of what you're just saying. We might say it a different way, but it doesn't mean that it's completely different. It's just another way of saying it. And some, you know, it makes sense to some players and then other players need to hear it a different way. Like even when I'm coaching, I try to use different cues that work for different players.
Mark Burik (00:47:30):
I love what I'm coaching and I go, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, hey, make sure you get your hands closer together earlier. And then I hear somebody listening and I go, J stop listening. Yeah. , that was, that was for him right now. Not for you.
Emily Stockman (00:47:42):
for you. Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:47:44):
Like you have to like shut it off because you're like, I'm trying to get you to do the opposite. So you meet somewhere in the middle of that spectrum, right, ?
Emily Stockman (00:47:51):
Yeah,
Mark Burik (00:47:52):
Exactly. That's should be I think the mark of a good coach that, you know, you, you have different tools and different cues for different athletes who are in different places.
Emily Stockman (00:48:02):
Absolutely. Uh, yeah. I think the best coaches in the world can work with multiple different athletes and get the same result because they're willing to adapt and adjust to what different athletes need versus this is the way to do it and this is the only way to do it. And if you don't do it then it's
Mark Burik (00:48:18):
Wrong. You're, you're limiting the people you can coach. Like yes. If you can only find people who match your system, okay. Mm-hmm. , but then you better be the best damn recruiter in the entire world because you gotta fit exact molds to you. So you can be successful that way as a coach. Yeah. Or as a teammate, right? Yeah. You can recruit only players who are like silent behind you because that's how you play most comfortable. Right. But then you might not get to play with April, you know, and she'll, yeah, she'll make some noise back there. . I'm just gonna take a a moment from the show guys. You know, we're talking a lot about arm swing and if you guys are interested, we do have an online course. It's recorded, but of course if you join our membership program where we get to coach you twice a week and you take videos and we study your arm swing and we give you all the feedback you need, literally you post videos, you post questions on our private Facebook group and you actually get feedback within 24 hours from one of our coaches.
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And we have one course that's very specific. It's called Fix Your Arm Swing in 21 Days. It comes with exercises, mobility protocol, uh, throwing and swinging exercises that you can do. And of course if you're a member, then you get to post those videos and you can find that if you're listening, it's better at beach.com/fix your volleyball arm swinging. I know that's long. We'll get a better one. But better beach.com/fix your volleyball arm swinging. If you really wanna work on your arm swinging mechanics, it's a 21 day course with stretches, workouts, and drills that you can do to adjust that. And again, if you're a member, we actually work with you on your videos where you get to post it, we get to see it. And so you're getting avp, fiv V B and um, certified Strength and conditioning specialists who are gonna help you with your technique.
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So jump in there, uh, better b.com/fix your volleyball arm swing. It's a fun course. I, you know, I, you learn a lot from a lot of coaches and then like, I think you and me, the conversations that we have at the AVP and then when you're fighting for the national team, that level mm-hmm. , those are conversations that never even existed. We didn't come close to touching on some of the things we talk about on the pro tour. Never talked about that in at the open level in New York, in New Jersey. You know, they're still friends. I have that, that are playing at the open, open level and kind of dominating, but you get to a qualifier and it becomes really brutal, you know? Right. And it's like, wait, you don't, you're doing this well in this region, but the strategical conversation and the technical conversation is no, it's not even on the same planet as what we talk about on the pro tour or the Fib b tour. Right. And so that's why we had to start creating these courses and why we did the YouTube channel. Cuz I was like, if I never left New York, I never would've heard any of these keys that have, you know, made me the player I am and maybe helped a bunch of other athletes in different ways.
Emily Stockman (00:50:55):
Right? Absolutely. It's awesome. Cause with beach volleyball blowing up so much too, if you're not in a coastal area, it's nice to know that you have access to this stuff now.
Mark Burik (00:51:05):
So like back to the arm swinging mechanics, but more specifically things that you were told or you worked on early in your career that you had to discard as a pro or, or modify. Do you have any more of
Emily Stockman (00:51:18):
Those? I would say something that I had a very hard time with transitioning to the beach and as a defender was being okay, giving up a good shot or, you know, you're not gonna be able to cover everything. And so from coming from indoor, it's like nothing hits the floor. No. And then I came out to the beach and I was like, no, that was just a good shot. And I'm like, wait, what? That doesn't make any sense to me. . I should be able to touch everything and need everything.
Mark Burik (00:51:43):
You want me to not be mad that I just lost a point. Are you kidding
Emily Stockman (00:51:47):
? Yeah. I was like, what is happening? So that's something that took me a while to kind of be okay with, um, and work through. I think sometimes even now I'm like, yeah, it was a good shot, but yeah, I think I could still get it.
Mark Burik (00:51:58):
. Right. Well I more, I think about it now. It's a stat collect, which I didn't think of in my entire twenties of mm-hmm. , they hit this shot. Okay. They were in that position, they had that serve, they hit that shot. So instead of now me losing a point, this team gave me a piece of information and it's up to my, it's up to me to like glean that information and, and see what I got out of it. Where did you know, let's trace it backwards. Okay. They hit a high line from like six feet from the antenna. Why did they hit from the six feet from the antenna? Cuz I served them right in the middle of their chest. All right, now, next time, let's see if they hit a high line from a different area on the court or do they go for a, a shot or, or like a cutie or a hard swing cuz they're in the middle. Right. But it's not, it's not losing, it's collecting information to, to use Absolutely. Later. I think
Emily Stockman (00:52:46):
Definitely that's so important. And that's the chess game that we were talking about earlier, right? Like, you're just learning as you're going. And those like that is also the communication you, you need to have with your teammate. Like, hey, this, this, and this happened. Let's see if they do it again, server here again, let's see what we get. And being okay with maybe they do something different and you're like, all right, perfect. Yeah,
Mark Burik (00:53:08):
That's fine. Yeah. All right. Now, so now it's 50 50. You might be right. I might be right. Let's see what happens for the next three.
Emily Stockman (00:53:13):
Yep, exactly. And I think another big thing for me was defensively on my posture, I think a lot of times I would get dug in even knowing,
Mark Burik (00:53:23):
What do you mean when you say dug in?
Emily Stockman (00:53:25):
Dug in. Like getting just kind of like sitting deep into my defensive stance. Okay. And wait, like waiting for a hit to happen. Okay. Instead of being a little more free and mobile, especially in a se scenario where they can't hit hard. It's like, okay, I'm gonna stand up a little bit in my posture and know that I'm ready to run either way. I don't have to be so dug in for a
Mark Burik (00:53:47):
Hit. Recognizing situations. And then what do you change? Do you, do you change the, the tension of your legs in the upper body? You said you stand up a little, a little bit. When, when you're more ready to run the, the cue that I give to players that like camps of clinics is your approximate defensive height. Like your serve receive height should be hands on your knees and then release your hands without moving any part of your body for defense. Mm-hmm. , I say, all right, now let's put your elbows on your thighs. Right? Yeah. And that's like a good depth to play defense in, but what else are you changing in your posture if you think they're more likely to shoot versus hit or, or vice versa? Are you, are you more forward? Are you more backwards or,
Emily Stockman (00:54:28):
Uh, I definitely have like chest up for sure. Uh, chest up and just like maybe coming out of my squat an inch or two knowing that I have to be able to run either way with my chest high.
Mark Burik (00:54:39):
Yeah. Because you, you do need to be at that, you know, just above 90 degrees to be at max power.
Emily Stockman (00:54:45):
Yeah.
Mark Burik (00:54:45):
Yeah. Right. Like cuz if we think about squatting actually from, from from a box where our knees are at 90 degrees. Mm-hmm. , we'll probably produce, we'll be able to move. If we have the same weight, we'll move it slower off of that box from a 90 degree bin, then we would from like a quarter squat where we can Right. Explode immediately.
Emily Stockman (00:55:04):
You know what's interesting is when a lot of people lift, they only squat to that one depth. In my workout routines, we work every depth possible so that I still have power and I still have the quickness out of no matter what, how deep or shallow my squat
Mark Burik (00:55:22):
Is. I've done versions of a workout where I do a 10 count down and my partner can tell me when to pop. They tell me when to go so that I'm almost always ready to generate max speed. And if they don't say anything by the time my ask gets the grass, then okay, you know, fine, then I'll, then I'll pop once I'm down there. But how do you apply? Are you doing it with box squats or are you saying, hey, we're doing one set of quarters, one set of halfs, one set of false? Or how do you incorporate, is it different days, the same workout but different sets or every rep?
Emily Stockman (00:55:52):
It depends. So I have a strength coach and if I'm with him, he's the one telling me like we could be doing, you know, squats for 30 seconds and he's telling me what depth to go to each rep. Oh, okay. Or if I'm on my own, it's like, you know, if I have to do, he'll say like 10 squats in each position, so then I'm hitting three to five different positions of each squat.
Mark Burik (00:56:15):
I like that. Yeah. And how crucial is it like blockers who sometimes you can load full, you can like grab the sand and jump. Right. Sometimes they'll run like a jump set and you have to shuffle and just chuck your hands up there. Mm-hmm. with a less than a quarter jump.
Emily Stockman (00:56:30):
Exactly. Yeah. So it's the same for lockers. Our trainer's very specific with how he trains beach volleyball players and each individual. So same thing like as a defender, you know, I'm more on my defensive stance. I still do the, we call it for me the jumping stance because I'm not necessarily a blocker, but it's the same position that a blocker would be in. And then yeah. The blockers do their stuff in a more narrow stance, like they would be blocking.
Mark Burik (00:56:55):
I also think it's important not to just do it from box spots. Cuz in college our team, we did it on like box spots where we, we sat on a quarter. Oh yeah. But it's like, yeah, but you have to learn how to rebound out of that Right. As well. Right. And sometimes people use that rocking motion when they're mm-hmm. when they're sitting on a box and they do a squat and it's like, yep. It's not how this is designed. You're not supposed to be rocking into it. You're supposed to have full tension like have your butt or your thighs feather touch whatever box it is. Yep. Fire from there. Not completely relax, sit down, let your spine relax. And then your increasing injury at that point too.
Emily Stockman (00:57:28):
Oh yeah, absolutely. We do all variations of it. Then drop fast, up slow drop, slow up fast and you're catching, you know, in each different position.
Mark Burik (00:57:38):
I like that. I, I don't think a lot of people talk about that much. The different height, different positions and, and where to go from. Yeah. But, uh, one of the guys, one of the accounts that I follow Squat University, I think he's fantastic. And if people here have not subscribed to Squat University on like squat underscore university, I think on Instagram he's just, he's so great if you're into lifting fitness and sports and Yeah. Physical therapy, he helps you solve your pains. But the ten second squat, he was interviewing one of the world's greatest strong men and he's like, one of the first things I put people through is a ten second squat, 10 seconds down, 10 seconds up. So that you understand and you sit in every moment of your squat and you know where everything should be aligned and the tension that should be there and every moment. Yeah. Cuz a lot of people, they'll hit the bottom and they kind of like skip through that phase cuz they've generated enough energy. Right. You know, instead of feeling it, go do a ten second down ten second up squat. Mm-hmm. underweight and see what that feels like. It's a nightmare. But it's awesome.
Emily Stockman (00:58:38):
Yeah. , I believe it it's a good pain.
Mark Burik (00:58:42):
Such a good pain. It's so uncomfortable. You realize how weak you are in, in certain places and you're like, it shouldn't be this wobbly.
Emily Stockman (00:58:48):
Right. Oh yeah. I'm
Mark Burik (00:58:49):
Sure we're about to start, uh, October 1st, we're starting, uh, our 21 day foundations program again. So we do like a 21 day health and fitness challenge, uh, for anyone who signs up. And then that leads into our 60 day max vertical. First 21 days. It's a workout at minimum a mobility workout every day. Okay. But then we give like a hydration challenge. Uh, we give a a food, I need that, like try this type of challenge. Yeah. We gotta have a wa a gallon of water a day. But the first piece of homework and then, and I'll give it to you. Maybe you can do it for a week. Yeah. But it's, as soon as you wake up, you have a full glass of water. Water immediately. Like that has to be number one on your docket every day. And then from there, the first thing you do after that drink of water is you only do your mobility.
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So like the first 25 minutes of every morning are covered and some people hate having to wake up early, but we get a big enough group where we all support each other and we're like, yeah, hey, waking up with crap today, but I did it. Yeah. and we're not allowed to have coffee until, so we do uh, water in the morning, then mobility, then you have to, uh, journal and Okay. And we have like prompted questions to get you through your week and through your day and sort your day out. Yeah. And then we have a contrast shower.
Emily Stockman (00:59:55):
Oh,
Mark Burik (00:59:55):
Nice. After you've woken yourself up with your own body and with temperature and water, then you're allowed to have your first caffeine or food.
Emily Stockman (01:00:03):
Oh,
Mark Burik (01:00:03):
Okay. Yeah. So it's, it's fun. It's a cool challenge. People love it. And like we get those initial like vertical bursts like in three weeks some people gain like two, three inches on their verticals just cause we're firing their engines again. Right. Most people don't realize that you get a ton of vertical increase if you just stay consistent no matter what you're doing. Right. Programs like that, the challenges and stuff that get you off your ass and they say, Hey, we're gonna move with you every day, we're gonna keep you accountable. And so yeah. Really boost it. It's fun to see those results and it's a cool program and I did it cuz I needed it after my broken foot. I need a super sped up program Right. To get me like, okay, my foot's good to go, now I can jump on it. But now my body has to get used to being athletic again and I need it to happen fast without like kind of wrecking myself mm-hmm. . Um, so I chose a very lightweight, like all of the movements, those three weeks are not designed to get you strong, they're just designed to get you ready to be strong.
Emily Stockman (01:00:54):
Gotcha. Very cool.
Mark Burik (01:00:55):
Have you done personal training C S C S? Was that a, is that part of your background as well?
Emily Stockman (01:01:00):
Yes. I was a personal trainer, uh, for four years. So my first four years on tour I would see anywhere from like nine to 13 clients a night after training all day. And it was brutal in there. Yeah. So that was an extra five to six hours on my feet. As a personal trainer, you're, you know, you're spotting your clients, you're showing them exercises and I do love it, but it was just a lot. So I actually, I unfortunately let my certification run out.
Mark Burik (01:01:28):
But yeah, you still get the education and those certifications are Yeah. People who like can make money. They're the National Strength and Conditioning organization or N A S M. Yeah. It's a group of guys and girls who said, Hey, we know enough about this topic, let's create a book and let's make people pay to read the book and and we'll give them a piece of paper. You don't necessarily .
Emily Stockman (01:01:46):
Yeah,
Mark Burik (01:01:47):
Exactly. Need it if you just pay attention. It's sort of like when, you know, people go to college, some people really do need college, some people need experience.
Emily Stockman (01:01:54):
Right. Absolutely.
Mark Burik (01:01:56):
You know, so there's something for everybody. Well if you ever wanna do that same work and and coach some volleyball, we got an online coach opportunity where you can just do two hours a day and never be on your feet. So.
Emily Stockman (01:02:06):
Well that sounds lovely. We might
Mark Burik (01:02:08):
Have fun. Let us know . Yeah, well
Emily Stockman (01:02:11):
I think I could handle,
Mark Burik (01:02:12):
It's a lot fun and everybody's thankful and everything. I've kept it for an hour and a half. But is there anything else that you wish you knew when you're at that qualifier slash pre-qualifier stage mm-hmm. that you think would have propelled your game or saved you a season or a couple of years if you could have just applied this one thing earlier, like you thought you heard it too late and you were just like, man, I wish somebody had told me this five years ago, would've saved me a thousand points.
Emily Stockman (01:02:40):
I would say the biggest thing for me is investing in a sport psych. I never used one until maybe three or four years ago. And I just feel like that's helped me a ton because volleyball is so mental more so than a physical sport. I think for me personally at least, I think there's just so much that can go on. You can get stuck, you know, looking out and seeing everyone else's success and comparing yourself and just kind of get wrapped up in the whole volleyball world. So for me it was finding a good sports psych one that I mesh really well with.
Mark Burik (01:03:17):
Was there like an interview process? I mean, most people probably don't know where to even find one or begin and then Yeah. It also should be yet almost interviewee.
Emily Stockman (01:03:27):
So I've used three different sports psychs and the one and kind of, so the first one I used was we, I did it with my teammate. So I found him through my teammate. She was working with him already. And then USA volleyball has one that they provide for athletes. And then Scott, my coach has a guy that he, you know, the teams he's worked with has used,
Mark Burik (01:03:50):
Is it
Emily Stockman (01:03:50):
Your boy? Um, no, his name is, uh, Lee Hancock.
Mark Burik (01:03:54):
Okay. Yeah. I forget his name. Yeah. Yeah.
Emily Stockman (01:03:55):
So I've used him now for I think the last three years and he, it was just the best fit for me. You know, he, in the very beginning it was him like us just kind of sitting down and him getting to know me, how I operate, all that kind of stuff. And him giving me homework, you know, podcasts I have to listen to, books I have to read. That's great. Yeah. Just kind of learning. And so now, now that we've been in it for three years together, it's so nice because I can trust him with my life. Mm-hmm. and there's just, he's been there for three years so he knows, you know, I went through the last Olympic qualification and just through a bunch of different partnership changes and coach changes and different stuff. So, um, he's helped me through all that and you know, helping me navigate how to be the best leader I can be and how to be the best teammate I can be. And I think that's something even back in college I wish I would've used. I, I'm pretty sure our school had one. I just never took advantage of it. And yeah. I think it's helped me more than anything.
Mark Burik (01:04:57):
Isn't that weird when we, when we're inside our, our head and we're like, well what, what mental changes could possibly produce physical and wind and win winning changes.
Emily Stockman (01:05:09):
Mm-hmm. . Yeah. Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:05:10):
You know, like physically you're like, oh, I'll get a trainer because I could see my biceps grow on her, you know? Right. My glu fire now a coach, you know, a technique coach, you can be like, man, spent two weeks with him and now I'm detonating on balls and my shoulder doesn't hurt at all because I changed my technique. Right. But what changes came consciously, you know, when, when you were working with your sports psych, what, what changes did you feel in game or in practice?
Emily Stockman (01:05:36):
Him giving me tools in certain situations. So it was like if I felt myself spiraling or getting frustrated, you know, he helped me learn kind of how my brain works and how I operate. Like what I needed to think about in that scenario to get out of it. And one of the big things was a 15 second rule, cuz you always have, you know, you don't have a lot of time in between points. Yeah. So, 15 second rule, say I shake a ball, I have five seconds to be pissed off, frustrated, whatever emotion I wanna feel. Five seconds of what happened, like how can I fix it? And then the last five seconds is, all right, I'm back into service Eve onto the next task. So it's, for me, it's like I always wanna like push emotions down and act like they're not there and try not to feel 'em. But I, now I get five seconds to do that.
Mark Burik (01:06:27):
What do we do with our emotions? We put 'em in our muscles. . Exactly.
Emily Stockman (01:06:33):
We're not really there.
Mark Burik (01:06:37):
Deep, deep down. Yeah. With the rest of all the crap in my life.
Emily Stockman (01:06:41):
Everyone out. Yeah. So it was just, you know, him showing me how to use those tools in those situations and how to be a good teammate and how to lean on my teammate cuz I go very internal. So he's helped me open up that communication and know like I can lean on my teammate. It doesn't have to be just me in my head all the time.
Mark Burik (01:07:04):
That speaks to me a lot. I'm the type of person that will take everything on my shoulders and mm-hmm. , you know, and, and intentionally try to like, take weight off of it. I remember I was a player coach in Sweden, like my pro indoor team when we had a, a 20 year old opposite who physically wasn't quite ready yet. And I thought to myself, we need a big swing. And as the coach and, and the player, I was like, Hey, we're gonna set me or we're gonna set Mike, you know mm-hmm. , because I wanted to protect Axel's emotions and, and his confidence for the next season. Right. It was a big moment. I was like, I actually don't want him to take the last swing and feel like he's, he's not competent or that, you know, he's, he's a failure on game point, so let's not put him in that situation yet.
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Let's, let's have him keep growing confidence. He interpreted it as you had zero faith in me. You know, you, you took it upon yourself to say that I couldn't handle this situation. Nothing has, there are very few things that have stuck with me more as a coach than me, assuming he couldn't handle it. And so like, working the strategy so that we took it off his plate and ma made the tougher plays on somebody else and I never thought for a second he would interpret it like that, but Right. I'll put some the crap on my shoulders cuz I'm like, I can handle that. Yeah. But then, then you never let your teammate get involved.
Emily Stockman (01:08:24):
Right. You
Mark Burik (01:08:25):
Know? Yeah. And it's a team.
Emily Stockman (01:08:26):
Absolutely.
Mark Burik (01:08:27):
I like that. Those are good tools. Mm-hmm. to have mentally. I, I started working with Headspace for a little while and just listening to Headspace, the app in the car where he talks about quiet, calm, confidence, and then focusing on your breathing just for the first time doing nothing but focusing on your breathing. You know, I'm in serve, receive, I am the most comfortable person on earth now just because of a few episodes of, of a meditation program where I just Yeah. Repeat this same thing for myself.
Emily Stockman (01:08:55):
Yeah. That's awesome.
Mark Burik (01:08:56):
And yeah, serve, receive has, has never been better because just, all right, throw that out and now, and just knowing that you're quiet, calm, confident, you know, you don't need to be raging to, to show off your, your confidence. Right. Then you can just like chill and know that everything's gonna be all right. That you're gonna do well.
Emily Stockman (01:09:12):
Yeah, absolutely. I love that. And that kind of reminds me of something else he's taught me is that going into every game or match isn't gonna be the same. Now there's times that if I'm feeling really anxious and like getting kind of hyped up to play, sometimes I'll listen to slower music to kind of calm my nerves. Hmm. And then if I feel like I'm a little sluggish and I'm having a hard time getting going, then I'll listen to a little, like more upbeat to get myself going.
Mark Burik (01:09:40):
Oh, that's smart. Instead of having like your your pre-game playlist, you have your Yeah, yeah. You know, kinda almost three selections of a, of a playlist depending on where where you're
Emily Stockman (01:09:48):
At. Yeah. And I thought that was always weird. It's like, shouldn't it be the same? So you feel the same going in every time and it's like, but your emotions and mentally and physically, you're not always gonna feel the same. So what do you need in that moment to help you perform?
Mark Burik (01:10:01):
I feel like such an idiot for never having thought about that
Emily Stockman (01:10:06):
Mark Burik (01:10:06):
If you, cause you can hear the exact same thing with the exact same intonation at two different times in your life. And one of them you'll wanna like, take somebody's heads off and, and the other, you're like, yeah, man. Absolutely. Right. Just because you're in a different mental state. And so Absolutely. And to say that, you know, you're gonna be in the same mental state, so you need the same exact music every time or the same process for your pre-game, whatever it is. There is that mix of No, I should have a routine routines create consistency or Right. Yeah. There's that changing mental state because we are changing beings now. I need two playlists. Big booty mixed 2022. I mean, you're still gonna stay at the top, but
Emily Stockman (01:10:44):
. Oh, that's
Mark Burik (01:10:46):
Right. All right. I'll get some mania or something. . Yeah.
Emily Stockman (01:10:50):
Perfect. ,
Mark Burik (01:10:54):
If anybody wants his wants to reach out to you or get in touch or follow you. What, what websites, uh, social media, any email that you wanna share. Should they get in touch with you? You're too busy training. Um, or where, where can they just learn more about you and maybe reach out to
Emily Stockman (01:11:12):
Connect? I'm pretty basic when it comes to all that stuff. So I only do social media and really only Instagram. So it's at Estock two. Feel free to shoot me a message. I feel like I'm usually pretty good at responding. Sometimes it might take a few days, but I will get back if you have any questions. Volleyball, workout wise is always a little tough because what works for me isn't gonna work for everybody. But yeah. Any questions or whatever. I'm happy, happy to answer, happy to be resourced for you
Mark Burik (01:11:40):
Guys. Estock two. Yeah. E s t o C K two on Instagram. Go ahead. Make sure you guys give her a follow up. Follow her career. And speaking of career, do you have any big events coming up that you're planning on that we can watch and, uh, cheer and support?
Emily Stockman (01:11:58):
Uh, yes. We go to, we leave in about a week and a half for the Paris Elite 16 event.
Mark Burik (01:12:04):
How sick is that? Oh,
Emily Stockman (01:12:06):
I'm so fired up. We were like the last team in, so Yeah. Just made it so we're freaking excited. Uh, so we have that. And then I think we come home for a week and then I think we're traveling for about five weeks. There
Mark Burik (01:12:19):
Is Whoa. What, why?
Emily Stockman (01:12:20):
Yeah, we have, because we're gonna do the challengers, so
Mark Burik (01:12:23):
Oh, the Challenger series.
Emily Stockman (01:12:25):
Yeah. A couple of Dubai events. South Africa, Brazil, Egypt might still be in there. I'm not sure.
Mark Burik (01:12:31):
All the fun places. Oh,
Emily Stockman (01:12:34):
. All the places.
Mark Burik (01:12:35):
Yeah.
Emily Stockman (01:12:36):
So we're still rolling. We're, it feels like we're only about halfway through season right now,
Mark Burik (01:12:40):
So that's bonkers.
Emily Stockman (01:12:42):
It's crazy.
Mark Burik (01:12:43):
That's bonkers.
Emily Stockman (01:12:44):
Absolutely crazy. But
Mark Burik (01:12:45):
Cool.
Emily Stockman (01:12:46):
Yeah, we're excited. It's, uh, it's a new journey and Megan and I are fired up. Scott and Chris are coaches and so we're ready.
Mark Burik (01:12:54):
Nice. I have one more unique question before we run out.
Emily Stockman (01:12:57):
Yes.
Mark Burik (01:12:58):
Who or what would be your dream sponsor? If there's a company out there that exists and maybe you name them and they're like, they want their highlight athlete because they need marketing, you know, they need somebody to represent them. Name that company, product, mission.
Emily Stockman (01:13:14):
There are so many, but I would say top of my list is Aviator Nation.
Mark Burik (01:13:21):
Aviator Nation. What's that?
Emily Stockman (01:13:23):
Do you know? Okay. It's a clothing company.
Mark Burik (01:13:25):
Okay.
Emily Stockman (01:13:26):
They're fantastic. I love, it's all American made. Mm-hmm. . So that's one of the biggest things for me. I love American made products, the softest, most amazing materials are used for their products. And they're just the, the story behind Paige is the owner of the company and she just, her story is really cool and how she developed the company and how it's blown up. Now. There's stores in a lot of different, um, states and Aspen's one of her favorite stores, which I'm from Colorado, so. Cool. You know, there's just a lot in common there. . Nice. .
Mark Burik (01:14:03):
Yeah. All right, Paige, if you're listening,
Emily Stockman (01:14:06):
, please be
Mark Burik (01:14:07):
Listening. You have your rock star right here. If you guys know Paige, give her a call. Tell her to listen.
Emily Stockman (01:14:13):
I'll wear your product day in and day out.
Mark Burik (01:14:18):
On the court. We don't care. Giving leather jackets and I'll wear aviator sunglasses. I don't care if I bleed from the eyes. ,
Emily Stockman (01:14:23):
I don't even care. I'll wear a winter jacket in my sport. I'm ready. .
Mark Burik (01:14:28):
Uh, Emily is so nice to talk to you.
Emily Stockman (01:14:30):
Yes, you too. Thank you.
Mark Burik (01:14:32):
Yeah, thanks for coming on. That was gem of a talk cuz we touched on a lot between leadership. Yeah, communication, partner problems, partner solutions, arm swing, uh, and, and then, you know, get getting really to tackle like a winning mindset and the, and the sports psych behind it. There's mm-hmm. , this in itself has been an absolute masterclass for people to listen to. So guys, if you enjoyed this episode, you're not done here after here. I, if there's a like button like it, but share it and send it to somebody who wants to hear, uh, about Emily's journey from arm swing, from communication with your partner to sports psychology. Go ahead and share it. Give it a, a rating if you know how to do that. I don't even know how to do that. But I hope you guys do . Um, and, and definitely share it around. Uh, cuz I think this, this in itself is definitely a, a really cool masterclass. So thank you so much.
Emily Stockman (01:15:24):
Awesome. Thank you again. Hope you guys enjoyed and again, reach out, reach out on Instagram if you have any questions.
Mark Burik (01:15:30):
Cool. Yeah, have fun in Paris.
Emily Stockman (01:15:33):
Thank you,
Mark Burik (01:15:34):
. All right. See you Emily.
Emily Stockman (01:15:36):
Bye. Bye.
