Casey Patterson (00:00:00):
To be honest, it's just, I think about, okay, I immediately go to, okay, what's the issue? What's happened the last three points? How do I put myself in a better position to get a better pass? Maybe, maybe I haven't adjusted yet. I'm gonna adjust my footwork or my positioning and service seat. All right. Now I'm gonna focus on getting a really long approach. If they serve me short, my sideline down the middle, no matter what, I'm gonna get a big approach so that I've got, I like to call it, I like the movie screen in front of me. I don't go to the movies and sit in the front row and then I can't see the screen
Mark Burik (00:00:29):
Casey Patterson (00:00:31):
And get a big approach, see the whole theater, all of the watching, see everything. So that's immediately one of my things. Better position my server, see location, big approach that I get a big window. I get the movie screen in front of me. And then I'm not gonna predetermine what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give myself the most, I'm gonna get myself to the 99th percentile of effectiveness, siding out, and then I'm gonna react in the moment.
Mark Burik (00:00:57):
Hey everybody, welcome to today's webinar. I am Mark Burik. For those of you who don't know me, I play on the avp and uh, I play a bunch on the FIV B. We can get back there soon. And uh, today we are gonna be talking with Brandon Joyner, my partner at Better Beach, as well as of course Casey Patterson. And we wanted to discuss a lot of setting and hitting. So we are gonna get fired up in a few minutes. Um, but just stay patient, hang tight. What I do want you to do is get a pen, get a paper, write stuff down that you learn or that you have questions about. Because at the end we're gonna try to do a live q and a, but you're going to have to use the question and answer section for that. So, hello, if you're looking at all of your options, you should have a q and a section.
That's where you put your important questions that you want kc, me, or Brandon to answer. Um, and uh, other than that, you have your chat function. So I also want you to take a look at your chat function and if you click on that right now in your chat function, I want you to make sure that you are, uh, sending to all panelists and attendees so that in the chat section everybody is live and can see what we're right. Go ahead and all panelists and attendees. And since you are here early, you guys will be my Guinea pigs for testing sound and video. So could you please if you hear me, go ahead and write yes in the chat. Thank you, Holden. Thank you. Ak, Isaac, Dominic, Chris, David, Steve, amazing Buxton. What up brother Lucas, welcome back. Adam, James, Francis, Jason. Cool. Good to have you guys all here in the chat.
I wanna know, uh, what you guys are looking forward to most, you know, uh, if you could get something out of this session, Brandon, me and Casey, what are you looking for? That's a good hat, man. Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh, so go ahead and use a chat and, you know, what is it that you hope to get out of this session? Cuz we are are talking about setting and attacking. Those are the two skills that Casey wanted to cover. But, uh, I still wanna know what you would be interested in learning. Um, and if you could pick Casey's brain, if you could pick my brain, if could pick, uh, Brandon's brain, what would you be interested in? Like, we got offensive tips and strategies, learning how to set butter. I can respect that. I like that. Okay. Attacking strategies. Isaac, what do you mean by attacking strategies?
So, up to 31 participants, people are gonna be rolling in. If you are rolling in guys, I want you to find the chat function and I want you to set it at all. Panelists and attendees, please just, uh, let us know what you are looking for, why you came to this webinar, and why you came to this webinar and, and what you wanna learn today. Tips for improving, attacking proper arm, swing, footwork, utilizing vision, how to properly place your arms when setting, how to adjust your offense or at the game response the other teams play. I like that you look at the defense right before you spike and tips on how to do that. Uh, gonna be welcoming. Brandon Joyner into the cast should be ready to rock. And Casey will be joining us in just a couple minutes. Hello,
Brandon Joyner (00:04:11):
Sir. Hello. How
Mark Burik (00:04:12):
Brandon Joyner (00:04:12):
I'd be good. How are you? I'm back. What
Mark Burik (00:04:15):
Have you been doing since yesterday?
Brandon Joyner (00:04:17):
You know, I, I changed my shirt and my hat, so that's a pretty big accomplishment. Um, still haircut.
Mark Burik (00:04:25):
Brandon Joyner (00:04:26):
Yeah, no haircut yet. Pretty
Mark Burik (00:04:27):
Brandon Joyner (00:04:28):
Man. Yeah, no, I got this. No, just been plugging away working and, uh, started in a new, a new book like reading. It's pretty good. Yeah, I'm, uh, actually turning pages.
Mark Burik (00:04:39):
Nice. Hey, what's your, uh, like what are your top three sports or volleyball books that you think that like, have, have changed your career? Cause I, I, I remember you talking to me about a couple of 'em, but I wanna share
Brandon Joyner (00:04:51):
'em. Oh, see, mine are, uh, my, they're definitely more like life changing books. I wouldn't say that it's more volleyball. Um, it's kind of, it's been stuff that's, um, really, well first the book that I love the most is The Alchemist. If you've never read that, it's definitely a book worth reading. Right.
Mark Burik (00:05:10):
Koa the Brazilian guy,
Brandon Joyner (00:05:12):
Right? Kao Culo, yeah. He's phenomenal. He, like all of his books are, are really well written. And actually I, I give credit to that book with actually getting me to move to California. Oh really? Yeah, that book kind of set me on a path to chase more and experience more. And so yeah, that book kind of got me going
Mark Burik (00:05:32):
Because it's a, it is a life goals book or it's a chase what, what you feel in your heart book. Right. You
Brandon Joyner (00:05:38):
Know? Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of one of those, uh, what you said second about kind of trusting your intuition, trusting the path that's set out before you, and then kind of capitalizing on it. That's a book that I really like. And then this past fall I read another book called Celestine Prophecy.
Mark Burik (00:05:55):
Casey's running a little bit late, he's on a bunch of phone calls, but that, that's all right. We got some, some
Brandon Joyner (00:06:00):
Time. It's called Celestine Prophecy. I just wrote it in the, in the chat. And that one really sent me on a journey of how I wanted to start. I mean, kind of continue portraying myself. Um, it has to do a lot with, uh, with like energy and using that energy to affect others and affect yourself. Awesome. And so that, that book, uh, has had a lot like, has helped me a lot, especially with my in game, um, kind of atmosphere or the way that I control, the way that I react to temper tantrums or anything like that. Um, one thing that I've, it's kind of helped me a lot this year is enjoying the moment a lot and being positive, especially while on the court and playing in difficult situations and, and in coaching it's helped me a lot in coaching as well because it talks a lot about, like, if you and I are having a conversation and I'm saying a lot of negative things, then obviously you would probably cut off that conversation. Um, it's something that you're not gonna welcome because it's, it's something that doesn't feel good coming at you. So like it's definitely helped me with my body language and my vocabulary when I'm coaching to make players feel more comfortable. And definitely just overall feel of practice has just gotten better, not only in my own practices but the ones that I'm coaching as well. So I those
Mark Burik (00:07:30):
Is there anything that like to be a good teammate or a good partner? Like in life you do have to learn a little bit to change what you say or how you say it because of how people absorb it. I mean, I'm never gonna tell somebody like, don't be yourself, but at least be aware of how somebody else is receiving it. Right? Because that can help you. Like, you don't have to not be yourself. You, you can do whatever you want, but in order to be powerful you do have to recognize what effect you're having on another person when you say things certain way. Cuz you might be closing off your own opportunities and people don't get training on how they speak and how they interact. And there needs to be a lot more trainings available and I think like open and acceptable for people to be learning those.
Brandon Joyner (00:08:13):
Yeah, it's, uh, it, it really, um, especially for you and I if, for those of you that don't know, mark and I went to college together, played at George Mason University and kind of very quickly we both were pushed into this leadership role, especially the environment at George Mason. It was a very much do it my way or the highway kind of atmosphere. It was welcomed by most of the athletes that were playing with us. But, uh, there were definitely some times during my playing career where, I mean, especially after you guys left where I was stuck in a really weird situation because we had some guys that came in that were phenomenal volleyball players, but they just didn't react the same way that I did to you guys. Hmm. Uh, so when I was trying to use the same leadership that was given to me, I ran into a lot of roadblocks and not only was it detrimental to, uh, our team, but it was also detrimental to me to where I, I like, I even went through a point where I, I was like not enjoying practice much anymore.
And it was, it was just a really weird time. And I, I went and talked to Fred, uh, who was our coach and he told me that the atmosphere had changed and it was different. And unfortunately I was so young that I didn't really pick up on it. And I mean at this point I was sophomore or a junior maybe, but the third year and I played for five. So it's like I wasn't really, I don't think I was really ready to lead the team yet, but with the guys that we had on the team, uh, it kind of fell to be my responsibility. Yeah. So that team, the team after you guys left, uh, we operated where it was, it had to be really positive energy. It was a lot of buildup, it was a lot of, you can do this kind of stuff which handholding, which like was complete opposite of what we had.
Mark Burik (00:10:00):
I think that's probably like one of the best lead-ins we can give for Casey because, you know, he, he's here waiting for us, so we're gonna bring him on in a second. And she is by far the best person in the world to practice with and against in all of my experience. Like playing 20, 30 different countries, like all different practices and different people to play against. Having him on the other side of the net is awesome. Having him on the same side of the net's gotta be great, but just like the fire that he brings and he knows how to dig into you, but keep it like positive mm-hmm. so that you don't get pissy and then you throw away your practice. Cuz he knows that some people get too mad and then they'll just throw practice away. But he, I think he shoots like just the right amount of digs, right amount of jokes and nonstop energy. I'm excited for the energy that he is gonna bring this. Yeah.
Brandon Joyner (00:10:51):
All, all the practices that I've been in with him have been by far the most entertaining practices I've had in my beach volleyball career. Uh, it's been amazing.
Mark Burik (00:11:01):
So, uh, without further ado, we are uh, bringing on Casey Patterson. Hopefully he's got his, his window set,
Brandon Joyner (00:11:09):
Maybe shave, let's see,
Mark Burik (00:11:10):
I think he shaved,
Brandon Joyner (00:11:12):
Mark Burik (00:11:16):
Casey Patterson (00:11:18):
. What's up guys?
Brandon Joyner (00:11:20):
Mark Burik (00:11:21):
Brandon Joyner (00:11:21):
You man? What a backdrop. Good.
Casey Patterson (00:11:23):
I'm doing well. Thanks
Mark Burik (00:11:24):
For having, is that your room? Is that your bedroom?
Casey Patterson (00:11:26):
Yeah, this is my, uh, it's just above my backboard in my, um, in my room. So just say motivated
Brandon Joyner (00:11:31):
Casey Patterson (00:11:32):
. Just kinda rotate, you know, that's the goal is I kind of wanna look like that guy, but I'm guessing he's only like five two, that's why he said jacked.
Brandon Joyner (00:11:39):
Casey Patterson (00:11:39):
Yeah, he's got the beard. Yeah, no, this is, uh, an office that I help with a, a solar company. I help them with some of their, uh, social media and uh, brand marketing stuff. And so this is in, when you walk into their office, this is the, the wallpaper. So I love
Mark Burik (00:11:55):
When you say you, you helped them with, uh, their social media. Like did they come to you as a consultant for, uh, for how to promote themselves and then you gave 'em that, or you pushed like for them as an affiliate?
Casey Patterson (00:12:04):
Yeah, I was kind of, uh, it's, it's my buddy that actually a couple buddies that that own it. And um, they had a, a gym in their office and I used to come work out and I was like, dude, you guys should, I could help you with some social media and stuff like that and helping with kinda your marketing campaign going forward. And they're like, oh yeah, we'll toss it around and and consider it. And so they, they came back to me and they're like, dude, let's go. Let's, let's figure something out and get the, let's start promoting it. And uh, cuz it's fairly new company and so they're growing so fast, they're like, dude, we want to look cool and have some more content and have, you know, stuff pumping out daily. So, uh, yeah, it was kind of a connection through a friend and then it turned in a really good, uh, gig for me. Especially right now when, uh, we can't play invol. That's,
Mark Burik (00:12:45):
That's pretty sick. That's um, nice job converting, like everything that you have done and learned about promotion and content and fan and spectator engagement and then converting that into something you can do beyond vo Yeah,
Casey Patterson (00:12:59):
Luckily, uh, panned out. Yeah, I feel like that's a huge thing for us as athletes is we get this like cool platform on the avp so it's like, well what ways can we help elevate ourselves using that besides just spiking of all. And uh, especially when you get older it gets harder and harder to spike the ball. So the other things when you don't jump, not having to jump is pretty huge right now. , you're saving the longevity for mm-hmm. for sure. It's perfect. Knees feel great .
Mark Burik (00:13:28):
So my uh, my brother was giving me last night we were talking and he's starting a coffee company as well. Um, so he's like getting into the small business stuff and he gave me some good ideas for questions to ask and he said like one of the big things that he would be curious about asking you was what do you think is the next catapult after volleyball is done? Like what do you see your transition like in 5, 6, 7 years once you're done by?
Casey Patterson (00:13:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. Cause I feel like that's something that we all kind of want to have a little bit of a head start on. Whether we're just starting or we're in the middle of our career. I feel like that kind of stuff is, is huge cuz uh, Jake you saw always quote like, I think he heard from someone else's popular quote, like an athlete dice twice, right? You retire and then you officially die. So it's like you die halfway through when you can't play your sport anymore . So it's like, how do you, for me it's always like, dude, what do I enjoy doing? I love talking to people, I love coaching and instructing and, and helping people turn that light switch on when they're playing. So coaching's always gonna be an avenue that I'll take. Um, how far or deep, I, I'm not sure, but I know that that's something that, especially with with how division one sports has gone lately for women right now, like the job opportunities are much better than it was even three years ago.
So I think there's an opportunity there. Um, I think continuing to do things that I do with social media and um, kind of just leveraging the, the kind of my resume like, Hey, I got a chance to go to the Olympics. I got a chance to be a pro for a long time and, and win some tournaments. And if we look at those things, those are, that's my resume. That's all I have to show. And so my plan is to kind of utilize the relationships I've built over the years with the sponsors that I currently have or ones that I'm currently talking to. A lot of times now, when people start hearing, Hey, if you're not playing full time on the world tour, you got some more time this exact scenario, Hey, why don't you help us run our social? So I think the number one thing for you guys is for every athlete especially, is do a great job of taking the time to interact with people after matches during the tournament when you're, you know, at an event that's not even with volleyball. And just open your mouth and get people's name, your name in their mind, right. So that they can remember you. Cause that's basically all I've tried to do is create good relationships and cultivate them and then something would happen. So I mean that's
Mark Burik (00:15:47):
In your cultivating that's up your alley, right? Because you are personable, like your friends are easy to talk to. Yeah. Um, I don't think that, to me, I don't think that that would fit like a lot of people, right? But it would be advantageous because, you know, I don't know if you like follow like Gary v, grant Cardone, all of these like amazing entrepreneurs and like you have to know people in order to get to know more people, right? And as soon as like somebody else can open a door for you or, or walk you into a room and be like, this is my friend Casey. And then they're like, oh, you know him, okay, you gotta be a good guy.
Casey Patterson (00:16:23):
Yeah, yeah. Connect the dots, right? And that's what basically you, what you guys are doing, you're doing that in a way where you're helping people get better at something that maybe they didn't focus on super early in life or they did, but the moment that they, you helped them improve this much, they're immediately like such a good relationship for you. And then they're constantly gonna be opening doors for you. And so then it helps you and just, just coaching alone, whether it's anything. I mean that's the key to success is just the connections and cultivating those relationships. Here's
Mark Burik (00:16:54):
One question I have for you because, um, I, me and Brandon were just talking about partnerships and the energy that you give somebody and how they receive it. And like I know, you know, I played with Hudson Bates for a while. He's now the associate or assistant coach at Ohio State Men's Program. And me and him had a very specific way of talking to each other and it was super dry and we would like just hammer each other in the middle of match. Like, you suck, you suck. I remember, oh, do this . But we, like, we loved each other and we knew that, you know, we had each other's backs. And then I kind of brought that mentality to a few of the next partnerships and I looked at everybody, I looked at what Hudson could do and then I only saw in the next partner instead of what they could do, I looked at them as what they lacked in comparison to Hudson instead of what they're doing well that, that Hudson didn't have.
And I feel like I ruined probably a couple of good opportunities because I didn't recognize that early enough. And now that I've had like my first, first long term girlfriend, like thank God I'm still holding onto, she's teaching me about like , like how to hold on, how to, how to compliment and, and how to like, uh, accept and promote the best parts of somebody else. So how do you take that energy with your partners? How do you, I think you've always talked about how to maximize your partner and make them the best, but could you just Yeah. On that
Casey Patterson (00:18:12):
For a bit? Yeah, I love that analogy because what works with some partners has is like maybe the worst way to approach a a another partner. So for me it's always like, first of all, being positive is like the main focus of mine. Like I think being a setter in college and in high school, you just blame yourself and move along and you wanna like maintain everybody's attitude. I'm always checking to make sure everybody feels good. Hey, how's my outside hatter? How's my O two, how's my O one? Like what are they doing? Are they communicating? What is their eye contact? What's their body language like? Like all those things I'm constantly like monitoring, okay, how can, okay, he needs, I need to set him the X two and let him bounce a ball and he'll be fine for me the rest of the time.
You know what I mean? Like, you had to kind of manage a lot of different types of humans. And so I think with each partnership you transfer into number one. For me it's always been like, okay, how do I be positive and bring energy? I have to bring that no matter what, no matter who the partner is, that will always work because that's a, a positive like infectious no matter how you play. Like you enjoy having fun versus getting yelled at. So for me, I always think about that. Then two, I feel like each team has its own identity with you and Hudson, it was dry. It was, it was like all heart. You guys were grovely, you were nasty, you never gave up. Like, and Hudson was ready to fight at any time if you needed him to. And so you guys were like, no, like you, that seriously was, you guys were just out there being warriors and that was awesome and that worked for you guys and you guys did well.
And then you get to a guy that might be a little bit more sensitive cuz he hasn't been coached that style, you know what I mean? Like the, the next guy's a little bit different. I think finding what your identity as a team is and talking about it, like having a meeting, like with Troy and I, we had a meeting, okay, what's our identity? Okay, we need to site out at a really high clip and we need to be super grovely. We need to like never give up and outwork every team we play. Like that's who we have.
Mark Burik (00:19:54):
I think that would be the identity for every, for every team. Like we're gonna outwork, we're gonna hustle at all times. Right? Do you think there's any team that says nah, no,
Casey Patterson (00:20:03):
No. Right. I I agree. I think that has to be like everyone's like your cornerstone and then you build around that. I feel like that should be a cornerstone. Then it's like the more you start to practice and start to feel out what works for you, you're gonna add pieces of that. Okay, I'm gonna add this cornerstone now. Now hey let's be great at running the four, the four defense and make sure that we're, our timing is perfect every time. Like that's what we're gonna do and no matter what we can count on that being something that to staple for us to score. I think with each partnership that should be a goal and that should be a team talk. Like, hey, who are we? Okay, now how do I approach this when you're not playing? Well, like for me, if I make a few airs in a row and it's like a high pressure situation, the last thing I need is my partner to give me this tone. Like let's go dude, come on. Like the last thing I need is my guy giving me like, like a somewhat of a like edgy negative tone as if I don't know that I'm playing bad. And we all, I think we all would agree, right? Like listen bro, like we're all our worst cri critic, right? Like we're all like, dude, even when you sign out but they touch it, you're like, oh I gotta be better, right? Oh,
Mark Burik (00:21:02):
Okay, now you want me to come on, right? I didn't realize that you wanted to be there.
Brandon Joyner (00:21:06):
I wasn't trying before I put
Mark Burik (00:21:08):
Casey Patterson (00:21:08):
Point, I thought you wanted me to give up our four point league first and then side out, okay my bad, right? Not . So I think for me personally, a tactic that I've started to learn about myself, and I think that's a big part of how you work with the team and how you can uh, be a better partner for your partners is understanding yourself even better. Like for me, let's say that happens, well the last thing I want is that tone, that aggression and then the guy, you know, kind of being like, well dude, it's not my fault. Like I'll never do that to my partner and be like, dude, let's go just side out. I'm like, hey, do we need to run a quick set? Do we need to go back? Do I need to set you off in it? Do you need to pass off and kind of act like we're at a system and then they pull and I throw you in system with a set.
Like what do we need to do to get you comfortable? So I've got those keywords that I can help my partner. Then I, let's say it's my partner that's playing that. I want to take all the attention off them. So I'm gonna white my shades, I'm gonna joke with somebody in the crowd. I'm gonna talk to the re I'm gonna talk to the guys across the net, but in a way where I'm gonna take that attention where you feel like you wanna hide under a rock cuz you haven't cited out a few times and now it's match point and you had a four point lead. Now everyone's looking at me like, well what's Casey doing? And everyone forgets about Mark and marking start to get back to where he is comfortable and he is relaxed and out. And I'm gonna say, Hey dude, whatever you do, I might just go on two, don't worry. Like we'll take care of it. Hey, let know what you wanna set. If this happens, we'll go here. If this not there. Like, I think that like universe, you need to be great at filling that universe with communication and, and understanding how your partner reacts to those situations. So for me that's, that's always my focus is how does my, like how does my galaxy, where is it revolving? How is it spinning? Where are we at each point? Well
Mark Burik (00:22:46):
If, if you're playing somebody like, like Nick, right? Who he loves the fight, like when he's down or he just got punched, that's when he comes back and he punches a lot harder
Casey Patterson (00:22:57):
Mark Burik (00:22:58):
Um, would you kind of like let him sit in that moment?
Casey Patterson (00:23:01):
I think I would find things and be like, you let him do that to you dude, , you know, like I feel like that's kind of what Phil does. He's like, dude, five bucks says you can't sign out this next ball. You know what I mean? Just add something on top of that and give him that like bulldog mentality again where he's like, well no one believed in me. I'm the little guy that should, you know what I mean? Like that whole mentality, the tight tramline mentality like right, I'm gonna start slicing ankles and Achilles, like I'm gonna do whatever I can to win this fight . You know what I mean? I love
Brandon Joyner (00:23:26):
Casey Patterson (00:23:26):
I think, yeah, I think understanding that and who your partner is and how you can kind of in those situations, what's gonna work for them. That's how you'd be a great
Brandon Joyner (00:23:34):
Partner. That's awesome. Obviously you're a pretty, uh, fan favorite on the avp. People like to watch you play and a lot of it has to do with you, uh, with how vocal you are. And I, I actually remember, well this was probably a couple months ago now, but at practice, like you were talking a lot and I like tried to whisper to somebody else at practice and I was like, man, he just, he talks all the time, does he do this all the time? And you heard me and you were like, well I talk in practice because I gotta prepare so I can talk during tournaments, ,
Casey Patterson (00:24:05):
Brandon Joyner (00:24:05):
Remember that. Um, have you, uh, have you always had that kinda entertainment, entertainment kind of mentality while you've been on the court? Or did it, like, did you have that when you were playing indoor or, or is it something that you kind of brought to the beach?
Casey Patterson (00:24:19):
Yeah, I think, dude, to be honest, in high school I, I was like more just positive energy guy. And then when I got to college and started playing with Brazilians and watching how they were interacting with the other side and with their guys and I was like, oh that's even more fun, right? Like even more fiery. And then it just started to evolve and then I would just talk more and more and it got to a point where I like was practicing it so much in practice that when I would start to play, it was so easy to do and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so fun. This is so entertaining because when I started playing beach I would watch guys who were very like methodical and very robotic and they got the job done, but it was just like, dude, do you even enjoy being here cause we're all watching, you know what I mean?
Like, I'm not even having fun watching. And so I think there was, it was kind of twofold. It helped me play better. And then two, I wanted it to be something that people wanted to watch to kind of hopefully like elevate the game. Yeah. So if you practice it in practice, you know what I mean, or don't pull on me or an invisible Trevor crab and you're talking trash to him on an open net swing, like that's just all in fun, but then it pays off and then Troy pulls on you on stadium and you're yelling at him mid swing, you know what I mean? Or guys like that. Like, and that makes for such a fun entertaining moment. But it's not, it's just natural because you've already been practicing it. So for sure I think it definitely evolved into something that now is just, that's who I am. Didn't start that way though.
Mark Burik (00:25:35):
Such, such an amazing point that you're going to be doing that in the game, right? You're going to be, and so many people, like they'll practice one way and then all of a sudden it's match time and that testosterone and the energy level is like, now it's the match. Now it's the match lead a second. Every part of you, every like muscle fiber right now is at a different tension than was during every one of your practices. So now you're different
Casey Patterson (00:25:59):
Person. Yeah, exactly. So if you're loose and calm and talking and having fun and then you go to play and you're like, oh, it's the same, this is awesome, but now there's more of a crowd to entertain, wow, this is better. Right? And then it just makes it, it actually makes it more comfortable and more fun because that's, I would way rather be in a stadium court full of fans heckling me than on court 17 by the bathroom in Manhattan that's on the angled court with no one watching. I'm like, I'm at a huge disadvantage over there versus at stadium with all the pressure. Like I would way rather have
Brandon Joyner (00:26:27):
That. And I feel like you probably, you definitely get uh, rewarded for bringing that energy. You probably get put on courts that yes, are going to dude, allow the audience to watch you, which is
Casey Patterson (00:26:38):
Crazy. Yeah, a hundred percent. I feel like every athlete needs to identify themselves with like a signature look, a pink hat, a mohawk, long braided hair, like something just a long or long uh, plastic shorts to the mid shin .
Brandon Joyner (00:26:57):
There's not many people that can pull that off if anyone, right?
Casey Patterson (00:27:00):
That was a special, that was a special time. There was no enough bringing that look. But you could from far away you recognize, you know what I mean? Like you def you've immediately identified yourself for fans, right? So that's a part of it. And then I think just that whole entertainment factor and, and being someone that people enjoy watching, feel like we all are that person. It's just in which direction are we gonna elevate that specific personality trait of ourselves? You know, it's not all the same, but we all have something entertaining and fun to bring. Okay, what is it and what do, how do I elevate it so that I get to be on stadium more? Or people recognize you more and then it elevates your brand and you're getting sponsored, you know, it's just, it's for the greater good for yourself. So,
Mark Burik (00:27:39):
Um, for everybody who's here right now, we just wanna run, um, get you guys involved. I'm just gonna launch a couple of polls here so it should pop up on your screen. Um, we just got a couple questions for you so that we can get some stats afterwards. But um, since Casey's here and we've had a number of different talks with different guests in the last week and we touched on different topics, we actually wanna know what you guys want to hear. Um, because you know, Casey puts out a ton, a ton of content and he does it for the fans, he does it to interest you. And we've started really ramping up our content as well. So we're gonna launch this poem and it's what do you want hear from our guests, right? So we got a number of answers here and it's, what do you want to hear from our guests?
And I'm just gonna shut this down in 30 seconds, but it's video analysis of their performance. Do you want the guests teaching a skill like Casey teaching to set today, Casey's teaching to hit today? Do you want live q and a where you guys get to ask questions? You want their origin stories where they have the biggest mistakes and the biggest failures of their lives, what workouts or drills they do and then their game sets, their game mindset strategy. And I think we just talked about today like a lot of that game mindset and strategy for teammates and, and how to help them. So Casey, if I could lock you into to like our first takeaway from today. If your partner doesn't side out, let's say two, three times in a row, what are the first words or first questions that you ask them? Cause you said you would ask a question about like their set or their tempo. What's your first reaction after their like second or third non side out?
Casey Patterson (00:29:09):
I think first of all is I would, might not be the most effective way of doing it, but what I've noticed is I'll immediately blame myself in a positive way. Like, hey, that set was too tight. It kind of, it kind of tailed towards an end and trapped you. That's my bad, let's run. And then I want to give them an option. I want them to take their mind off what just happened, who's watching what the score is to what set do you think you're the most confident putting away right now? Hey, do we, should we run quick? Should we go back? Should we run tempo to the pin? Do you want to fake, you know, pass and have me go, go on two or fake and then say like, what do you want me to do? Like what should we do? How can I help you?
And I think that immediately turns their mind from, oh my gosh, what just happened? We were up three points. Oh crap, my girlfriend's watching, uh, that girl that I was super into, you know what I mean? Like whoever you are in life, like you're thinking of all those things. So if I can hurry in, switch that off and be like, oh yeah, you're right, okay, I wanna run that tempo set to the pin, I'm gonna do that sweet and then I'm gonna give them as much confidence as possible, you know what I mean? And then I'm gonna play out some scenarios for them and I might over, I might talk too much in between serves, but I feel like it fills that void of their thought, right? And I can answer for them, Hey, um, watch if they, they serve serve you short to the sideline, let me shift over and take a little bit more middle.
So they've gotta serve right in your lap and then there's no way they can stop you. You know what I mean? I want to constantly be giving him thoughts that help him feel confident, like his best favorite, most effective set. And then I'm gonna build him up. I'm gonna constantly be building up before that serve happens. And I'm gonna give him some scenarios to look out for. Hey, watch where that short serve on your sideline. You can take a step up. I'll guard the middle. Like I wanna solve as many problems before the actual serve happens so that my, my partner has been thinking, okay, we're gonna run my best set. I'm gonna be super confident, probably gonna go ot, high middle, I'm gonna try to do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Uh, Casey said, watch a sideline. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a shift over.
So okay, I have less responsible responsibility to pass that middle ball. Okay good. He'll help me out. You know what I mean? So it's like I'm giving him confidence and relieving him on some of his duties originally that would normally his job. And that way now hopefully I've given him from a 40% confidence, maybe I can kick him up to a 65, 70, right? And then maybe something weird happens and we can cite out, like that's my goal and that's what I would do if that scenario would happen. And then auxiliary things would, Hey, let me manipulate the ref a little bit. , let me talk to him. Let, let me wipe my shades, let me give my my guy a breather. Let me, you know, fake time out. I, you know what I mean? Like play the game a little bit. Like play the game, give your guys some time to recuperate. And I think I feel like that would be my technique in that situation, right or wrong. I think that's what I do. .
Brandon Joyner (00:31:45):
I love that. That's, I think taking the, uh, sorry Mark. Um, taking the responsibility off of them is huge. And then not only taking that, that pressure off of them, but then also filling their mind with thoughts that are going to help them win the next point. That's huge. I actually haven't really thought about that too much and I have noticed how much you talk in between points, but knowing that that is the direction you're trying to go, that's, I'm sure that that's why you guys are always so successful. That's
Casey Patterson (00:32:15):
Cool. Yeah, I think that was, that's been a cool, cool thing. I think that helped me from indoor as a setter, right? Like you're constantly, yeah like going back to what we talked about earlier, like you're just managing emotion, that's all it is. Dude, volleyball all dude, it's fun and it's stress, those two things. And if you're riding one more than the other, you're either gonna win or you lose, you know what I mean? Like you're either having fun and you're free and you're in that flow and everything's calm and cool and you're reading the ball and you're digging everything and you're siding out and the blocker can't even touch you and you're just like, and then you go back and you bomb three ACEs and you're like, this is so much fun. Or you're overthinking every aspect of what's happening, how fast the wind is, who's watching?
Uh, should we switch sides? I don't know, like maybe I'm better on the left. I don't know. I hit that three balls out, I got stuff that can't see the blocker, the defender's double faking now he's staying home, you know what I mean? Like it turns into last samurai, you're just like, dude, I'm thinking about mine things. And then you're bouncing stress off everything that you look at and you're like, dude, okay, so my job as a partner is how do I just get that stress or majority of it outta the way and let you just have fun again and be confident in who you are and your ability. So for me it's just managing emotion.
Mark Burik (00:33:21):
It's such a higher level way of looking at like what I think everybody normally looks at. Like how do I pass better? How do I set better? All of this. And then once you've got those basics up to like your 80 20, you know, like once you've covered the majority of that and you just gotta understand how you're feeling, how your partner's feeling, and then be able to play with the most people possible. Like this whole like love story when we talk about romance, that you belong with one person that's not gonna serve you very well in beach volleyball. Like you've gotta train yourself to get along well and find emotional matches for yourself as as a partner and like, how do I change to make this person better, right? What do I need to tell them? What are their keywords or their triggers?
Brandon Joyner (00:34:07):
Do you ever allow your partner to feel that stress? Like I know you try to talk 'em out of it, but like in practice, do you, do you ever allow them to go through those pain points without you? Or is that something, or do you just go into it and say, you know what, this isn't an individual sport, this is a partnership and this is the way that I'm
Casey Patterson (00:34:25):
A partner? To be honest, I have in practice because I feel like in some practices if I'm not talking a lot and I'm quiet, I'm probably not having a great practice. And that's an indicator of probably giving away too many secrets right now. Like Marc Casey's super quiet, we got him. You know what I mean? Like it's a big tale tell for me is, and I, but I think at the same time you need to experience those things. Like I feel like we're becoming less and less resilient because the game got faster, the short, the court got smaller, the ball's easier to control. We train like less time because we, that's an unfortunate cause we gotta go make money somewhere else. But at the same time, like we're not experiencing all those emotions all the time. So I feel like that's a great point to, I mean, and I have, and I've experienced it myself where I go through this time during practice where I feel like maybe I should stop playing volleyball altogether. But
Mark Burik (00:35:10):
How many of us
Casey Patterson (00:35:11):
In that moment helps you realize who you really are, you know what I mean? Like everyone says you learn more from a loss than a win. And that's, it's like this, you hear that all the time, but it's true and that's true for a reason. So of course you let your partner kind of go through the trenches a little bit and kind of hopefully build up a little bit of resilience and then give him a little nuggets here and there. Hey dude, why don't you play through timing a little bit? Or hey, why don't you just block line and just delay line the rest of practice and see what happens and see what you see. Let's see if that helps you come out of this. Because that's something that I've been trying to help Troy with is like, we'll go back practicing with anybody but like, hey, I want you to recognize this moment and how it feels and I want you to going forward, try to figure out a different strategy on how to get out, how that feels, whether it works or not.
Let's keep experimenting on something new so that we can go, oh there's one thing, okay, we can hold onto that. And now, you know what I mean? When a team is siding out at will, right? Let's go grab that nugget, let's go grab that, that specific tactic that worked for us and let's try that. At least in your mind you're more confident cuz you're like, oh it worked before. So I think letting them kind of go through that and then as a team recognizing it, how do we make it better? Cause I think a lot of people go, dude, at a terrible practice. Well the partner probably let 'em go maybe a little too long and we didn't talk about the situation at hand like, Hey dude, how can I help you? Like I've, and I think you always want to go like, dude, I've been there before over my career, I've been there more times than you've ever been.
You know what I mean? So here's what's worked for me. And then go get your water and let him do his thing and have his quiet time and come back and hopefully he comes out. You know what I mean? Like yeah, you're constantly just trying to elevate his mindset versus what he thinks. Because no matter where you're at in life, in your career, I feel like there's always something someone else can help in a way or direct you in the right thought process. And so I think letting them go through it a little bit, build up some resilience, not be hand fed everything all the time, but then like fix it and learn from it and then try to eliminate it as much as possible. I
Mark Burik (00:37:08):
Like that you said that cuz I, I think people like get really super frustrated when they're losing it practice or whatever. Yeah. And when you say you have Troy work on just swatting line blocks, like even if somebody's coming on a freight train, you know, just go ahead and reach up. Make sure he does not touch the line and and see what timings you need to change to do that. Like why don't more people in their own practices and you know, I've gone this with, with Logan, with Ian last year was just like, hey, I know we're gonna get Doug a lot, but for the next half of a set we're going to hit cut shots. Like see if we can do it under pressure in every moment and like if we really, really, really suck at cut shots then we're not gonna do it on Friday. like, yeah,
Casey Patterson (00:37:50):
Mark Burik (00:37:51):
Right. If we don't hit any today it's Wednesday. Like sorry, but that's gonna be outside of our game plan because it's obvious that we're not prepared for that yet. If you don't rep out certain skills again and again and again, you don't actually realize how good or bad you are at them, they just hide because you make a different decision the next play.
Casey Patterson (00:38:10):
I love that dude forces you outta your shell. Then you're having to hit a cut shot with like five different body leans and approach speeds and trying to figure out like, okay, well if I have to do this, what are the 150 ways I can change everything else leading up to my hand contact that's not the same. Well, okay, that might be the answer, but in a lot of these players mind it's like, no, just keep the code, oh product to suck, do this. It's like, you know what I mean? But that's true. You help you help realize your strength and weaknesses. And then, I mean, isn't that like Akar chi thing? He'd be like, okay, I'm only going line today. And that's all he would do and he would just figure out a way to win only going line. I, I feel like that's a great mentality because you're an init by like three points in the team starting to figure out that's what you're doing. So now that's the real challenge. Now as a team you're like, right dude, how are we gonna keep, how are we gonna win this with only that option? And I feel like that's a great way to, to build up like I keep saying it, but become more resilient and and learn specific tools within one skill that you thought you had the answers for. Well now there's 50 different fixes within that. You got 20 tools to, to fix that line shot. I think that's great. I think that really makes you a really good player.
Mark Burik (00:39:17):
So guys, second takeaway. Um, you know, the first thing, like first takeaway we had today from Casey was, uh, if your partner doesn't side out two or three times in a row, ask, first of all, take a break. If you're in the middle of the match, find some sand to wipe off joke with somebody and then ask them if they wanna run a different set. You know, don't be like, don't say that, come on dude, but ask them, hey, wanna run one to the pin? Sometimes people take the, do you wanna set me on two? Uh, they take that a little bit wrong, but I'd say, Hey, gimme a nice high pass. I'll fake the option and then I'll give it to you. And if it's wide open then you hit that option. But just a question of what different set or what different play you can run right away. And then the second one that we have here is if you guys are in practice, go ahead and pick two swings to win a match on that practice. Like say today I'm detonating cross and I'm hitting cut shot and those are the only things that we're gonna work on for two hours and that's how I have to learn how to win here. And you learn all of the different types of cross, like seam sharp, cut jumbo, high rip hands, like there's so many different versions crossing line like you said. So
Brandon Joyner (00:40:24):
What if, what if that's what you do anyway? Cause there's any only shots you have.
Mark Burik (00:40:28):
Brandon Joyner (00:40:33):
Um, Casey, we had a normally wouldn't, we wouldn't break for like a q and a at all or at this point. But, um, somebody asked a pretty good question, uh, and said, what if you were the one in the stressful situation, not your partner, um, like during a match, what, are there any tips that you have that are, that are pretty quick?
Casey Patterson (00:40:52):
Yeah, I think, um, I have actually had that conversation with a lot of my partners, um, and being like, Hey dude, when I get this way, you know, I'm not gonna be playing very well. So let's say that scenario happens, like I got blocked. I don't feel like I can see the court, I don't, my legs feel terrible. Like there's all these excuses you could have and I'm just not performing well. Well, like I said, the last thing you want is that that negative tone, all these things is, well for me what I explained, what I do for my partners, I love having them kind of do those same things for me. They're gonna talk to the rep, they're gonna wipe their shades, they're going to build me up with a, a set that I know I'm the most confident in, so that I immediately think, oh yeah, you know what I mean?
I'm gonna get my head back to a place where I'm confident and then we're gonna go across all those points. So it's just dude, it's just full reverse. Like hey, gotcha. Need you to do those things that I do for you. Maybe not to that extreme, but pick two or three things that that make you a better partner for me. And that's something that Tyler Hilderman had Jake and I do leading up to the Olympics is he would have, okay, what's your focus personally today? And then how are you gonna be a better partner? And we would have to have those be a like specific goals for that practice. And so for me it was gonna be like, Hey, I'm gonna focus on my set location and really that's gonna be a, a key point for me every time is to try to perfect that location or hey, I'm gonna go on two as much as possible, being as aggressive as possible to alleviate a little bit of the pressure of him getting served.
Or I'm gonna really like talk today. I'm gonna communicate way better than I ever have. I'm gonna add a few things I haven't done before to see if they work. Those are the things that I would love a partner to do for me. And I feel like that's where you find those magic moments as a partnership. And then personally what I would do if my partner, if I've expressed that to my partner, like, hey, these are the things that would help me. And then internally, okay, what are the things that help me internally? Well let's be honest, just playing beach volleyball isn't a very scary thing and it's not the end of the world. So I think coming to terms with that in those moments, that helps. And we can all say that, but feeling it is hard to find cause it's always in the moment and things are stressful.
Um, and I think to be honest, it's just, I think about, okay, I immediately go to, okay, what's the issue? What's happened the last three points? How do I put myself in a better position to get a better pass? Maybe, maybe I haven't adjusted yet. I'm gonna adjust my footwork or my positioning and service seat. All right now I'm gonna focus on getting a really long approach. If they serve me short, my sideline down the middle, no matter what, I'm gonna get a big approach so that I've got, I like to call it, I like the movie screen in front of me. I don't go to the movies and sit in the front row and then I can't see the screen all and get a big approach, see the whole theater, all of the see everything. So that's immediately one of my things. Better position my server, see location, big approach that I get a big window, I get the movie screen in front of me and then I'm not gonna predetermine what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna give myself the most, I'm gonna get myself to the 99th percentile of effectiveness, siding out, and then I'm gonna react in the moment instead of deciding, hey, I'm gonna go just high middle because that becomes a tendency and people pick that up. So I think it goes all back to the process and the preparation. And I want to make sure that I communicate with my partner. I don't stay too quiet. I think that's a lot of our problem is we get so internal and quiet that our partners just like, dude, how do I help you? What do I do? You know what I mean? They get and then they get anxious and then it goes back to that whole stress thing we talked about. Now he's stressed too and just now we're just crumbling and it's just the snowball effect. So I want to stay vocal with my partner, Hey dude, I got this.
I'm gonna get a bigger, bigger approach. Maybe set me like a foot off, give him a, a responsibility. Hey dude, set me like a foot off. I'm gonna get a big approach and I'm gonna put it away. You know what I mean? And, and I think that's the process that I go through better positioning, maximum effort on my approach, keep that theater in front of me and then react in the moment instead of predetermining what I'm gonna do. Cause I think we get into that shotter or swing full swing or, or super easy shot. And as defenders, that's the easiest thing for us to defend because we're showing that as attackers so much sooner than anything else. So you wanna live in that gray area of that three fourth speed, that three quarter speed. And I feel like that would be, that's a lot of thoughts, but
Mark Burik (00:45:00):
I do wanna lock you into one. Like, okay, you,
Casey Patterson (00:45:02):
Mark Burik (00:45:03):
Two hitting errors, like one into the net, one outta bounds, one thing that you tell yourself internally or ask yourself.
Casey Patterson (00:45:10):
Yeah, it would be, stay back on my approach. That would be it. Keep the ball in front of mes so much easier.
Mark Burik (00:45:15):
All the other stuff,
Casey Patterson (00:45:19):
. And then you just go down the rabbit hole, . Then it just, all right, dude, I'm gonna just cook up a whole meal here of thoughts, right? .
Mark Burik (00:45:26):
That's great. So guys, we got, I'm, I'm gonna give you guys, uh, one more poll here right now just because it's gonna help, um, Casey with his content, it's gonna help us with our content and help us give you guys what you want. But it's, what do you want to hear most from professional players? So I'm just launching that poll. Do you want our, the volleyball drills that we use? Do you want like, day to day life, like blog style? Like, Casey posts a lot about, uh, his family and his every day and his four hours every day on Highways .
Casey Patterson (00:45:57):
I know. I gotta stop posting about that. Sorry. . I'm sick of watching it myself. I'm like, it makes me grateful to live so close to practice. I will say. Good. Okay, it's for Brandon. Then that's
Mark Burik (00:46:11):
Go guys, use that, that poll. Go ahead and give us some votes. Like what do you want out of like a professional's Instagrams or if you're a part of their email list, do you want volleyball drills, day-to-day life workouts and exercises, products that we use and love. Advice on mindset and motivation. Do you want just our cool highlights or do you want cool pictures? Go ahead and chuck in that boat on the, uh, on the pole there. Where is the pole? Why didn't it show up? Relaunch poll number five. How about this? I'm gonna relaunch it. Hopefully it's showing up. Sorry guys.
Casey Patterson (00:46:41):
Yeah, it's out there now.
Mark Burik (00:46:42):
Okay. I'm gonna share this with Casey as well. Cause like this, these little like bits of field research, it helps us make better content for you guys. And then Casey, you know, , this has been like an amazing talk so far and it's, it's already been 45 minutes, but, uh, we are gonna get into, I think more people wanted to learn a little bit about attacking and your mindset there. Yeah. So once this poll is finished, guys, uh, we have Casey's AVP Manhattan the day he got his name on the Pier 2016 championship when he was playing with Jake Gibb against John Hyden. And he had I think one or two match points, uh, in front of him. And then they came back and they won against try and John. So we're gonna take a look at like his mindset, his positioning, where he was and why he was there, there when he was playing offense.
And, uh, hopefully we can all pick up these tips. Cool. So a lot of these people, Casey, uh, want volleyball drills. Yeah. They came to the right place with us with Better Beach. Um, but now we know like ghosting stuff on Instagram, you can just be like with, especially with your Micd up series that you're about to do. Yeah. Like what drills you were doing during that time. Like, hey, this is why we're doing this, we're doing this today. And then workouts and exercises and then advice on mindset and motivation. And a lot of people like highlights. Nobody likes pictures. You're gonna have to write a book, man.
Casey Patterson (00:48:02):
No more cool pictures. Bummer. Those are the easiest .
Mark Burik (00:48:08):
Cool. Cool. Um, just taking a picture of those poll results and then, uh, yeah, let's get into your match. I'm Chris Morhead, loves the Micd Up content. Good. Good, good, good. Okay. So we should be able to see my screen here and then, uh, yeah, we'll just scroll through it. And Casey, you kinda lead the way. You guys can see my screen, right?
Casey Patterson (00:48:27):
Yeah. All right. Sweet. Hold a lot for me.
Mark Burik (00:48:33):
AVP 2016 Manhattan Beach final. All right. Let's see it. Um, let me get rid of this. My stupid computer likes to do things to me. All right. Um, so here we are. I'm gonna shrink this too. Get all these little things outta my way. All right. So first serve the game. Uh, let me just talk me through first your mindset going into this game. If you can remember four years ago, um, what your game plan was, cuz this is try and hide, you know, who you were gonna serve and what you were going to do offensively.
Casey Patterson (00:49:15):
Yeah. With these guys, they were so versatile and they both cited out. It was such a high clip. Um, with them, the first initial, uh, strategy was real tough. Middle ses, uh, kind of get them to deal with each other a little bit more versus just targeting one guy, at least at the start.
Mark Burik (00:49:34):
Casey Patterson (00:49:35):
Oh, great start. Love that. Um,
Mark Burik (00:49:37):
Is it because you know them?
Casey Patterson (00:49:39):
Yeah. We, so brief history on this, this, uh, matchup between these two teams is that on the, the four years leading up to the Olympics, if we played this team more than any other team in the world on the world tour and then on the avp. So what, which was good because we were basically head to head fighting for that second spot to go to the Olympics after Nick and Phil. Um, so it was, we both, at least Jake and I really love that because we felt like at least we were playing the guys that were trying to take that spot away from us. And it was, you know, immediate head-to-head against those guys versus like them drawing a low level team that met it through the qualifier in the World tour event. And then we get like a Bruno Ali song. Like we would way rather play each other more often versus not because then, you know, we were in control of our destiny in a way cuz it was against each other.
Mark Burik (00:50:34):
Okay. That's, uh, that's, that's really interesting. You're like, alright, you know, I don't wanna see, uh, Canada go and lose to them because then I'm just gonna be pissed at Canada where I have no control. I like beat them on my own. So that way I know my trip to the Olympics is either my fault, you know, and not in the hands of somebody.
Casey Patterson (00:50:54):
Yep. By the way, that body language of me where it looked like I was super mad at Jake, that was from before that in transition where I hit a ball right at Hiden and don't put it away. I'm so mad at myself right there. dude. Which I think is really cool to talk about too. A lot of times us as players because we're so like critical on ourselves, when you see those, like right here, I think I go deep middle at Hyn right there. Like what am I I that's so frustrating. I need to be going three quarters of the sideline hiden guards that
Mark Burik (00:51:27):
You define threequarters of sideline what you mean?
Casey Patterson (00:51:29):
Right here you see, I, I can see the try kind of pulled, but that set I left myself a little bit inside so I couldn't really turn hard line. So I'm just going, okay, I'm gonna go deep middle, but Heidi knows I want to kind of target that location. So instead I need to be going that same almost speed with more hand control to finish the ball towards the sideline and follow through. So I've got peak performance output on my approach, like max approach, but then I'm gonna take all that control and put it in my hand and dart the sideline versus right in his lap. Cause Hayden's too good at that stuff above his head.
Mark Burik (00:52:06):
Yeah, he is. His hands are just magic.
Casey Patterson (00:52:08):
Mark Burik (00:52:09):
Like, if you see replay after replay of his hands, they never, they like never leave his belly button to nipple line. Like it's Oh for sure. It's like he's always like in basically like, um, combat fighting. Yeah.
Casey Patterson (00:52:23):
Mark Burik (00:52:25):
Uh, so you said that you got a little bit inside on the set. Would you like blame this set? Because for those of you who are like right now we talk about like a set falling on the left side of your body is usually a not great situation because it's more limiting than if the set falls on the right side of your body. So do you think that this is a set problem or an approach problem right here?
Casey Patterson (00:52:47):
An approach problem. I did a great job of getting the distance right and I'm, I'm staying behind the ball, which is exactly what I wanna do. I, I kicked out two feet too wide by not stopping my momentum and then going and stepping a step close directly to the ball. I've rounded it out and I'm kind of like, like my last two step close steps are finally to the ball. But I would like that step right there to be eliminated that big wide one that I take with my right foot right here. I would rather be a whole body length closer to Jake. Like right there. I should have, I should have stopped and then, then gone straight in
Mark Burik (00:53:26):
Instead of your left getting almost outside and in front of your right
Casey Patterson (00:53:29):
And it almost crosses over my right foot, right? Yeah, it does. Like I've gotta step over my left foot.
Mark Burik (00:53:34):
So now you're always gonna be diving at your left arm. Okay.
Casey Patterson (00:53:38):
And then that would've opened up your attack back at try. I would've been able to ex, yeah, expose him pulling and I think that's why he pulled though because he saw that a little bit under it and I'm cockeyed so that that affects my vision. So now I've had two chances to put the ball away, which is super generic. I hit a JV cut at hide in right there. I'm thinking, dude, jv, you wanna make varsity or not? Dude,
Casey Patterson (00:54:06):
Casey Patterson (00:54:07):
Thinking, of course they wanna test me out, right? They're like, they've got me two times in a row. They're like, let's go at him again. Let's see what he's gonna do here.
Mark Burik (00:54:19):
Do you think that they came into that with this game plan? Who, who are they normally serving at this time?
Casey Patterson (00:54:25):
So I would say it was pretty equal. The same thing back to us. They would try to exploit middle and then short sidelines, uh, at us to try to get us to kind of, um, deal each other a little bit more and then expose a guy if he gave up an air. Okay. We kind of approached each other in a similar way. Very balanced out, uh, services towards all four guys.
Mark Burik (00:54:48):
That's how the game ends in the end. O oh they're
Casey Patterson (00:54:53):
Flipping out. No, that's the famous double joust
Casey Patterson (00:54:56):
Mark Burik (00:54:59):
I uh, so I played, I played Jake and Taylor last year and I saw like three pictures of Jake still on the ground when I was hitting the ball. Yep. And I was like, wait a second, what is he doing? And I started learning how much he does stuff like this where he's waiting for you to shoot so that he can swat. There's so many times when Jake gives up a crushed hit because he trusts his defenders like you back here and he says, you know, okay, I'm gonna get a touch no matter what on a shot because he knew that I was a shooter for, for a while, right. Um, and now I'm sort of changing it up trying to even things out. But uh, he would ignore swings, especially now he's got like Taylor behind him who can
Casey Patterson (00:55:47):
Mark Burik (00:55:48):
Or whatever, you know. Um, but yeah, he does that reach where he's only worried about a shot. And it looked like you were both kind of committed there to either he is gonna go cut high cross or high line, but you left everything else open.
Casey Patterson (00:56:03):
Yeah. Do you want to go back? I, that's exciting. Let's go back and start that. This is a four call. So let me give you a brief history really quick of 15 second history. Over the first two years of us playing together, we ran all these traditional types of defenses and we were successful but we felt like we still needed to improve Two things. I need to dig more cuz I was transitioning 90% of them. Like his setting and my offense was like, that was our biggest threat on defense. Like we could do such a good job of that. So it was like how does he become a more effective blocker? By that I mean how does he affect how attackers play the game? We used to call that the Phil factor, right? Like Phil makes you play a little bit different, makes you feel like you have to play a little bit more perfect.
And you have to be a little bit more like spectacular to beat him. Well Jake is so good at reading and processing that we adjusted his timing to be able to process longer and then make his move. And so what that did is it gave him the ability to capitalize on more of these balls that should be blocked, uh, and affect how a guy attacked a ball. And then that made me more confident and calm to be able to make that long four or five steps to the line, but be patient doing it. So, and by how you started it with his hips, our whole strategy was he had to let the attacker's hips pop before he was allowed to go up. Now that two parts, it gave him more time to read and it made him longer at point of contact. He was taller and bigger and able to play with more options.
Um, and then secondly, it made a def attacker, it's out of their eye line for a longer period of time. So the longer period of time you don't have information goes back to the stress we talked about. The more stress you're getting that attacker and unless they're behind the ball with a big approach and they're coming in like a freight train, they're gonna start to second guess under their decisions, which is that exact shot. It's hopeful line shot. I hope this is the right answer. Not I know it's the right answer. That was the whole difference in how our defensive scheme improved is that we played a lot off that mentality.
Brandon Joyner (00:58:13):
So it looks like this is kind of a similar type of setup except now instead of a four you're running a three.
Casey Patterson (00:58:19):
Yep, exactly. Exactly. And I think understanding to all the people watching, understanding the fours and the threes and the ones and the fives and whatever the ball calls, there's always something you have to be okay giving up. There's always something that you've gotta be okay with giving up. Like in a four, I've gotta be okay giving up the absolute line hammer. I've gotta be okay with it. And as a team we have to understand it and be okay with it. It's the only way you're gonna trust each other and be able to run the timing that works effectively where the attacker doesn't see what's happening. So as a three, you're giving up like a hard swing angle on a four, you're giving up the fast swing line. And if you guys can be okay with that and understand that hey, we don't always have the answers and sometimes they're just make a great play, like that's gonna make you more confident over a longer period of time. And then it gives you that ability to make those rad comebacks because you understand that you're okay and you accept that they're gonna make great plays and that you're giving up specific things, you're taking a chance on that. But a lot of people that watch like, dude, why don't you go line? It's like, well dude, that was the one one thing we were giving up because it's gonna set us up later on in the, in the match.
Mark Burik (00:59:27):
I like, I like knowing that you're always giving up something and that you should not be mad after every point you lose. It's like the equivalent of a chess player, like flipping out after he loses a pawn. Yeah, .
Casey Patterson (00:59:39):
Mark Burik (00:59:40):
Like that's part of your game. Like you have to lose that in order to get the information and get the setup that requires like the, the win later.
Casey Patterson (00:59:49):
Yeah, absolutely. It's a perfect analogy.
Mark Burik (00:59:52):
Okay, so, um, good defensive moment, but let's, uh, let's stick stick back to topic here on uh, on your offensive attacking here. Yeah. Um, so here's Jake gets the pass and he moves back, right? He's already at three quarters depth and then he gets more space. And how do you react to people Casey, when they, they they look at us and they're like, oh well of course you set high. Of course you have that long approach, it's cause you're six seven, it's cause you're six eight, you're six three, you're six two. Nick is six one and he might have the longest approach to the avp.
Casey Patterson (01:00:30):
Mark Burik (01:00:31):
Um, how, how do you coach that when you're telling people, you know, how far, how far from the net their approach should start?
Casey Patterson (01:00:39):
Yeah, I think, I think there's two things. I think everybody has their own separate strengths and weaknesses, right? So you want to try to eliminate those weaknesses and give yourself optimum opportunity to site out. So I feel like for most people having more room than not is better. Getting scrunched and small, losing a little bit of vision because now the closer you are, the smaller things are the less time for information you have and the less time for re to react to something you see you have. So there's a time and a place for all those things. But I think giving yourself more room is always gonna benefit you versus be a negative thing. It's always gonna be better in my mind. And then, and then two being tall, short or whatever, that doesn't matter. Being able to build up some momentum so that you can jump higher and swing harder.
Why would you not want that versus like a two step gather with no approach. It's like digging a cut shot and you just don't go anywhere. You stand up and then you're like gonna get absolutely housed because you have no vertical, you have no reach, you gotta sand in your eyes and you're blind. Well if you were to get up and get even just two steps back now, you immediately bounce. I keep going back to stretch stress. You, I immediately bounce that stress from being on the ground to, hey, I got an approach here. I'm coming after you. You know what I mean? So that's my mentality when it comes to that, that approach. Distance and uh, preparation for
Mark Burik (01:02:02):
Everyone. You think that we're like, we're trying to get an approach because we're tall and we need a high set because we're tall, it's cuz we want to jump higher, right? So if you're shorter than 6, 7, 6, 8, 6, 3, whatever, like you need, you need a longer approach cuz you want to jump higher.
Casey Patterson (01:02:17):
Mark Burik (01:02:19):
Um, and, and it creates your vision, uh, field of vision or even if you do want a lower set, keep the approach long so that you gather momentum to jump high for your low set.
Casey Patterson (01:02:33):
Right? Yeah. It's like no one really block jumps higher than they approach jump. That's what you would basically putting yourself into a block jump type mentality. If you don't give yourself room that's six to eight inches that you don't have where you would, if you would've gotten yourself a big approach, it's perfect.
Mark Burik (01:02:50):
Okay. Wanna see you on offense here again. All right. So they're going, they, they eventually they stop going middle, they're going to give. Now Gbb doesn't do that normal right-sided shuffle in here. He stays a little bit wider. So as a setter, what are you thinking when you see, you feel him here? I doubt he's talking. I, but tell me like, is he talking middle on you up or do you just feel him?
Casey Patterson (01:03:15):
No, I just feel him there. Uh, I just see that he gave himself some more room. So what I want to focus on is giving him a little bit more of an apex on that set so that way he's got a little bit more time to process the location and step close to it.
Mark Burik (01:03:31):
So he's further away. And you felt that, that he had more space than normal. So as a setter, you made the decision to put it higher. Yeah. So that he's got time to get his feet there.
Casey Patterson (01:03:41):
Right? Similar to indoor setter, right? Like you see that your outside hitter maybe passes on the ground, but you want to go to him for some reason. You're gonna give him a little bit more time, right? You're going to assess the, the, the situation and then give him an optimal opportunity.
Mark Burik (01:03:56):
That's, that's awesome. Because one of the problems we run into, like in our vo cam promosa classes, it's the, we hear kind of amateur players saying like, where are you, where are you, where are you? You know, like somebody's about to set and then they're asking what set they want in the middle of them setting. And I keep promoting to the players. You have to understand and use your peripherals to know where your hitter is. Right? And you gotta lay it up on their right arm. That is your number one rule. Get the ball to three feet from the net and get it somewhere near their right shoulder. And that's the set that they want no matter what they tell you. That's the set that they want. Like or that they need.
Casey Patterson (01:04:38):
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Better that situation for your partner and then let them make a decision.
Mark Burik (01:04:45):
Okay. So guys, you don't, it's important to talk, it helps your setter, but if you're a setter, your job is to feel your hitter, know where they are, get it to the, their best location and whatever you guys determined was their best location. Usually it's the right arm though. Okay.
Casey Patterson (01:05:05):
Okay. Mark Burrick
Mark Burik (01:05:09):
. Am I giving it away that? Yeah, but I don't have a, I don't have a seven one WPA so that I can just stand, make like that . Yeah.
Casey Patterson (01:05:16):
Eight, nine standing reach helps with that one. Guys.
Brandon Joyner (01:05:22):
I still think it's higher. It
Casey Patterson (01:05:24):
Brandon Joyner (01:05:24):
Is. I think it's closer to like nine five .
Casey Patterson (01:05:28):
Mark Burik (01:05:30):
Okay. So what do you do here? All right. You shank to the opposite side of the court.
Casey Patterson (01:05:33):
Yeah. What happens? Pass Right. Kind of jab at it catches me high in my midline. Um, the key here is I, so I still wanna step back and give myself room. That's something that
Mark Burik (01:05:44):
Don't face him because he's in trouble. Like he's diving for the set. You're not gonna chase him and help
Casey Patterson (01:05:49):
Don't, yeah. Don't follow your partner because then you'll be under the ball in blind. You. This situation happens more than anyone will be willing to admit that they pass a little bit fast or outside of a, an in system pass and then they, they get anxious and charge the ball.
So the key is step back and stay behind it. Cuz you almost want to treat it as if, hey, if I get a back row ball, like let's go back to like an indoor analogy. If I get like a pipe or a D ball and a, I want to be prepared and have approach to maximize that, which also goes back to what we talked about earlier, our approach distance now no matter what on the net off high low, like I can either speed up slow down, but I can always keep the ball in front of me in my right arm. And that's, that's the goal.
Mark Burik (01:06:34):
And Jake, I mean in this moment Jake, the, the like going back to what we just said, like he doesn't have time here to hear you say something, let it register and then decide that that's the location that he has to get it to. He just needs to remember the last place he saw your body right now who loses you? So now like the last place that he remembers you is here. So his job is to lay it on your right shoulder because that's his last vision of you. Even if you don't say anything.
Casey Patterson (01:07:01):
Mark Burik (01:07:02):
And he does pretty much exactly
Casey Patterson (01:07:03):
That. Exactly that. Yeah. You step close and have an approach to get to get, try to, to hold and block.
Mark Burik (01:07:14):
Oh, another four. So you were doing this all game
Brandon Joyner (01:07:20):
Mark Burik (01:07:23):
Good scoop just a little.
Casey Patterson (01:07:25):
We had a tendency of much, we kind of knew what timing we needed to be confidently running a four on him and it worked out more often than not. Oh geez.
Brandon Joyner (01:07:41):
Okay. Big boy .
Casey Patterson (01:07:43):
It's a little tap.
Mark Burik (01:07:45):
Look at that vertical .
Casey Patterson (01:07:48):
That's a toe dragger.
Brandon Joyner (01:07:52):
Casey Patterson (01:07:52):
Hair over though. Geez. It wasn't
Mark Burik (01:07:54):
Even fine. Good penetration. Yeah.
Brandon Joyner (01:07:56):
And your arms are touching the back line.
Casey Patterson (01:07:58):
Yeah, I just forced it.
Mark Burik (01:08:02):
Hey, do you think that this might be a dangerous, I mean, so Jake from the line serves hen's line who and hen's like an on looking nonstop for on two. Yeah. You decided to serve that line and I know that hay would want to just chuck this over here to try. He gets, if he gets an meatball, you have Jake running down that sideline. Does that feel again against offensive? But does that feel like you've left something open there?
Casey Patterson (01:08:29):
I think at this point we are, uh, we'd gone and try a few times. Um, and we talked about kind of adding a wrinkle and just throwing in a different, uh, tempo mentality and like feeling by changing our service location and kind of the, the angle of the ball. And we were willing to take a chance. We had talked about, we always have a plan about tries on two and who's responsible for what. So if it happened, we were okay with it. We were already ready. But we wanted to test John and see where he is at. Cuz sometimes if you don't go to guy a few times they get a little jab like I did in that play earlier where I kind of shank a pass. And so that was, we're kind of playing on that in that moment. Cool.
Mark Burik (01:09:07):
Right. And you went to John again and you got another one
Casey Patterson (01:09:10):
Here I think. Does he go on here or no? You know he,
Mark Burik (01:09:14):
That's a fast cut shot right there.
Casey Patterson (01:09:18):
Yeah. Johnny doesn't really hit that soft little touch one very much.
Mark Burik (01:09:22):
He just slaps it.
Casey Patterson (01:09:23):
Yeah, he kind of high fives the ball.
Mark Burik (01:09:27):
Yeah. It's funny you and John's wrist are like completely opposite . Yeah like super carvey. You know your hand like cuts around the sides of balls and his just like takes from whatever side he wants it. Like he hits it dead on. No, no side spin.
Casey Patterson (01:09:43):
Almost like he like open hand tips. It sometimes like those little line taps. It's like . Oh
Mark Burik (01:09:53):
You wanna see that again?
Casey Patterson (01:09:54):
Call that. I used to call that BX girlfriend shot my shot here in transition. I'll tell you why. Oh perfect set. Just super easy loopy line and we call . I call that BX girlfriend cuz it's like the one that always comes back to haunt you. . Oh. Oh that's great. Right now in your hand and you want it back. You're just like don't hit it. . Oh man,
Mark Burik (01:10:30):
Jake's here. Okay, so here Jake does this step in right? He steps in but steps back at the same time. Yeah. Want everybody to pay attention. Like um, here's Gabe. He passes from right here where he was standing, but then he moves towards Casey and then that step backwards right there. Yeah. A little bit extra space way to be attention. Hide
Casey Patterson (01:10:54):
Him. Yeah. Geez. Free ice cream cone. That's a good dig. Do it again. . Oh that's a t That's not a great, that worked out. That wasn't that I should have never done that but that was me feeling a little bit over confident and you know, bit showboaty that I would suggest not making that shot.
Mark Burik (01:11:17):
Casey Patterson (01:11:19):
That's in the moment feeling the flow a little bit and like kind of twisting a knife. Like its kind a lot of those things all combined. Don't
Mark Burik (01:11:26):
Shoot Highline on an open look at this nice scoop here
Casey Patterson (01:11:33):
Mark Burik (01:11:37):
Did you read that? Um, or you just knew that Jake was taking one side of the court or
Casey Patterson (01:11:41):
What? Jake always was taking the side of John John's side so that cross so that he didn't have to do extra work and I always had the cut back.
Mark Burik (01:11:48):
Okay. It's a nice, so you set that rule before you started playing you said? Uh,
Casey Patterson (01:11:56):
Mark Burik (01:11:57):
We keep going back to defense. But you set that rule before you start playing. You're like, okay, since, since try likes to go on a lot, you're always gonna have this side of the court for on two. Exactly. So we don't have to think about it for the whole match.
Casey Patterson (01:12:09):
Absolutely. Let's, let's be as free as possible in our mind, understanding what we're responsible for so that we can react versus like, I don't know what's line, what's angle. It's like just that side. You just have that side of the court.
Mark Burik (01:12:19):
Cool. I like that.
Brandon Joyner (01:12:26):
So wait, this is go back. This is off of a serve
Mark Burik (01:12:30):
Uh, transition free ball here.
Brandon Joyner (01:12:31):
Oh, okay. Gotcha. I
Casey Patterson (01:12:33):
Brandon Joyner (01:12:35):
Is that same rally? Wow. Mm-hmm ,
Casey Patterson (01:12:37):
I think I hit it off. Try. So he has to go over.
Brandon Joyner (01:12:40):
Yeah. And then you got the option ball, the jump set. Oh.
Casey Patterson (01:12:46):
But I think that's a fun, that was a fun rally I think what helped me sell that with try cuz try recovered from that way better than I was hoping. But I, I backed up and got an approach and called, I made a call like I wanted to attack the ball.
Mark Burik (01:13:01):
Casey Patterson (01:13:02):
So I was really, I wasn't just saying, you know, hey I wasn't just standing there, I was proactive. Look at that. I'm getting like kind of a gather step. I'm coming in like as hard as I can. Big double arm lift and then I able to kind of get him to bite a little bit. Yeah. Or if I wouldn't have done that, he probably would've just gone right over to Jake and been able to be more effective as a blocker.
Mark Burik (01:13:24):
Ooh. Good pursuit by the big boy. The big nasty. Look at us all the way up until like, at least a whole nother quarter of the court after he uh, after he blocks.
Casey Patterson (01:13:36):
Mark Burik (01:13:37):
Love blockers who pursue balls behind them know.
Casey Patterson (01:13:41):
Mark Burik (01:13:45):
Okay, so, um, just for, for people who are beginners and intermediates, most right-handed left sides, once they pass your job is then to create good space for your right arm, your shoulder, your hitting arm. So after he passes in the middle, Casey right here, he does his little shuffle outside. Not because he wants an outside set, but because he wants the ball on his right shoulder and he need space to come back in. So most people, they like a setter in the beginning. I think intermediate players, they'll see this move outside and they'll think that you're moving outside. So they'll set you to the pin instead. Casey's just creating more space for his right shoulder so that he has a bigger power window. Would that be uh, how you would explains exactly what
Casey Patterson (01:14:32):
Mark Burik (01:14:33):
Casey Patterson (01:14:39):
It's too cuties. He's got me on not working.
Mark Burik (01:14:44):
There's that space again, right? Boom pass. He's got space but he adds more. Uh, do you have like a, a certain width Casey that you would coach? Um, like would you go 10 feet, 15 feet of width? What do you need? Or are you trying to angle something like do you aim at the back of the court somewhere?
Casey Patterson (01:15:02):
Yeah, I think, I think every left sider needs to be almost facing. If they can get to a point where they're almost facing that deep corner in the angle because that's, you wanna sell that first and foremost before anything else. You wanna have that as your like number one option, that high aggressive swing angle, then it sets you up to be able to see better, keeps the ball on your right side. Then you're able to make any sort of adjustment with the information you're given after that point. So it's basically like a perfect way of gathering information. Now I came in maybe a little early right? And got caught under it cause I wanted to come in extra hard and by that time I got stuck underneath the ball. So maybe I should have kicked out a little bit more.
Mark Burik (01:15:49):
You thought whoa, you thought maybe more.
Casey Patterson (01:15:52):
I mean I think
Mark Burik (01:15:53):
Major is early, like this is space.
Casey Patterson (01:15:57):
Mark Burik (01:16:00):
Yeah, the step close. Maybe you just overran it cuz the wind has gotta be going towards the houses right now, right?
Casey Patterson (01:16:05):
It has to be. Cuz I, I went really far under that.
Mark Burik (01:16:10):
Must. Yeah, it couldn't have been, you
Brandon Joyner (01:16:12):
Gotta blame the wave hundred percent.
Mark Burik (01:16:15):
Casey Patterson (01:16:16):
The old Wilson Ball, right? Yeah,
Brandon Joyner (01:16:17):
Yeah. Oh, couldn't have a spin detection.
Casey Patterson (01:16:20):
Yeah, look at the flags. It's for sure the flag. There's the winds going . I knew it.
Mark Burik (01:16:27):
Um, cool. So guys, if you have questions for the end, uh, we are going a little bit long, but we gotta let Casey go. He's got phone calls and, and and, uh, social media accounts to
Brandon Joyner (01:16:35):
Run. We, we gotta play the last point.
Mark Burik (01:16:38):
Oh we will. We definitely.
Brandon Joyner (01:16:39):
Casey Patterson (01:16:40):
Cool. Last like three points. Those are,
Brandon Joyner (01:16:41):
I wanna see, I wanna see the exciting look in your face when you relive the winning moment .
Mark Burik (01:16:49):
Um, but guys, I I want you to like, if you have questions, I want you to go ahead and use that q and a, but I'm just gonna run a couple more polls here. Um, for, uh, just for our knowledge. So we do sell online courses at Bitter at Beach. We have a setting course, a hitting course, an attack, uh, an attacking course, a serving course. We have a 60 day strength training program. But we wanna know what type of like pricing models you guys actually want to see. Do you wanna pay one time, like a larger one time, uh, subscription? Would you like rather a small monthly subscription just to see if you can test the waters and get used to it? Or do you want a medium price like yearly subscription? Because the way that we do it, every one of our courses, it grows every couple of weeks.
So like we're talking about attacking with Casey Patterson right now, after about a month, month and a half, when we finally get it edited and chopped up into like little bites that goes onto the end of one of our attacking courses, anytime that Casey here mentions like setting, we take that little chunk and we put it at the end of a setting course. So the courses that we have on [email protected], they never stop growing. Like a one time monthly price means that you're, if you buy that course today, it's gonna be completely different in six months and it's going to be way thicker and bigger. So we just wanna know like what models you guys are more comfortable with so that we can make it as easy as, as high for you guys to, to get 'em and to subscribe to our courses. And then hopefully Casey, we can do a little, uh, a full on course with you at some point and then yeah, you can be selling your own course with us and that would be, there you go.
Awesome. If you're into it. So, um, I'm gonna leave that poll open for 10 more seconds. Just let me know if you want the small, little monthly subscriptions, if you want a medium yearly subs subscription price or if you would just rather buy it once and be done with it and then it grows with you for the rest of the time. Looks like small monthly chunks is the winner. Cool ending that. Thank you guys. And then there should be one more question online resources you would use. And again, we're gonna give this to, to Casey as well because um, we're content driven. We have to be for the nature of the sport right now. So I'm gonna launch a poll that says what types of online resources would you guys use and like, would you like to see Casey run on his own us to run on our own?
You want live training with question and answer pre-recorded skill courses, skill course bundles, workout programs, drill books, drill apps, skill courses that have live online coaching. Like would you wanna take a hitting course where you get to meet with Casey once every two weeks with a big group, you know, online where he is, you know, he gives you your next set of homework but he also checks in on your work or written blogs and drill videos and tutorial videos. So just let us know in those polls and q and as fill them up. We still have a ton of people here, so we're gonna go a little bit longer. Casey, what time do you have until, um,
Casey Patterson (01:19:51):
What time is it now? I got to about 1 45
Mark Burik (01:19:53):
People are gonna stay here with you as long as they stayed with dmo then we can keep going. Cause uh, like I said, we're gonna chop this up and you'll have, you can share it on your Instagram if you want and uh, we'll definitely post it on YouTube. Casey, go ahead and write, do you have the link to it? I have the link to it, the YouTube. So guys, if you are not subscribed to Casey on YouTube, I'm writing it in the chat right here. Please go follow him. You know how awesome he is and uh, it's just another channel where he's reaching out and he talked about how important it is to reach out to fans and to interact with him. So he has such an appreciation for you and he understands that. So go and subscribe to him. And while you're there, I'm posting our YouTube channel as well.
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Casey Patterson (01:21:36):
Yeah, let's, let's do some questions. Let's, uh, see what people are interested in hearing about.
Mark Burik (01:21:41):
Little bit of interaction. All right, that's the share our poll. So Casey, just in case you're wondering, people want some Joe videos.
Casey Patterson (01:21:48):
Oh, okay. I like it.
Mark Burik (01:21:50):
And they do like the prerecorded skill courses. Um, that's good cuz we've got four of them up already. We already have a hitting course, a setting course, a serving course and a passing course and they do want workout programs, but drill videos another big interest. You know, that might be cuz it's my audience, right? You know, like we brought a lot of people here from Better Beach and they're used to us like they became fans because they love our drill videos. But who knows, maybe that might be a big answer. All right, so Casey, Nick asks, what are your favorite shot?
Casey Patterson (01:22:19):
I'd say one of my favorite shots, whether it's on the left or the right, we talked about it a little bit, um, in the beginning of this match and how I want, wish I would've hit it is a maximum approach. Three quarter swing to a sideline. Those are my favorite ones because that sets you up for the rest of the match. If you're able to hit those speeds where it's a maximum approach with a, a good hand controlled speed that's faster than a shot but not a full swing, that that's giving your defense too much information. I feel like if you can play in that world, uh, it makes, makes it a lot easier for yourself over a long period of time to be able to hit, uh, effectively.
Mark Burik (01:23:01):
So a straight down. So it's definitely a down swing, but you're just not like, because
Casey Patterson (01:23:07):
Like that one, that one might, but that was close, right? I want to come in max effort, big approach. I kind of tort on purpose there, but that's that speed. I wanna have it in my hand for a longer period of time as if I'm gonna hit as hard as I can, but then finish it off with some control.
Mark Burik (01:23:25):
Casey Patterson (01:23:26):
It's the hardest for a blocker to read and for a defender to get.
Mark Burik (01:23:31):
I feel like try is an absolute master at that.
Casey Patterson (01:23:35):
Yes, he's very good in that world of just like the 50 speeds of,
Mark Burik (01:23:40):
And always Steve and he'll, he'll go for a while without even like touching a ball defensively. And it's man practicing against a hiden and try back in the day. And then like a little bit of, of Hiden and Theo when you go through their side out practice, like it's their turn for 10 free balls in a row and you touched one of them and you're like, why am I even do I, I have no idea how to play volleyball. Like if I can't even touch this .
Casey Patterson (01:24:08):
Mark Burik (01:24:10):
Okay, so, uh, Aussie, we got an Aussie here. Uh, what are your go-to things to change momentum against different teams? So like two things that you do when you're losing to change the momentum, what would, what would your best, uh, strategies
Casey Patterson (01:24:26):
Be? Yeah, let's say let's put ourselves in the situation where we're probably serving cuz they're citing out at will and we're on defense and uh, a lot of times we overthink that because we feel like that has to be the answer. So maybe like that scenario there, I gotta serve super tough. Well, to be honest, the number one thing I do is I want to put that team in a position where they aren't comfortable or less comfortable. So let's say I haven't served middle from the indoor areas, from like area one to area six. I haven't served that in the last set and a half, maybe I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna give them something that they haven't seen for a while or that I know they're not as confident in or I'm gonna serve short sideline. I want to immediately throw a different Stafford and I call that a wrinkle, uh, with other partners.
I call it something else. But that I liked wrinkle a lot with Stafford is that we throw a wrinkle at 'em. You have to change the aura mentality and the feeling of the match with something different. And something that is great that you do Mark is maybe that's time to hit a sky ball. You know what I mean? Like, it's just something, even if it doesn't go in, it changes like the aura of the match. They're like, oh, sky ball, okay. Everyone's like, everything changes. The timing of the guys watching your ball and going to pass their approach is like everything is just thrown off a little bit and that's a wrinkle. So I think having those, uh, as the team to be able to implement when you don't feel like things are going your way, those work really well.
Mark Burik (01:25:57):
How soon before you throw in a wrinkle or a change of strategy, like, does somebody have to side out three times in a row, four times in a row? Do you have to go untouched? Like do they have, you know, where you're,
Casey Patterson (01:26:08):
I think it's, I think it's an untouched scenario where there are 3, 4, 5 plays in a row. You're like, dude, let's, we gotta throw a wrinkle in. Okay. Because a lot of good guy like Biden does a good job of keeping you on the hook. Like, hey, you're kind of close, but not really. Like he'll let you touch it or he'll, like he'll hit it off you softly on purpose be like, yeah dude, keep serving me. You, you're almost there when in reality you're not . So he's playing the game. And so I think, um, you know, with specific guys, those, those times of throwing wrinkles are different. I think knowing your opponents is helpful in that scenario.
Mark Burik (01:26:43):
Okay. Would you ever throw a wrinkle while you're winning? Like if something's working, you've gotten four digs in a row, do you change it to keep them off balance or do you um, just like keep hitting the money button?
Casey Patterson (01:26:56):
Yeah, I think, I think I would, um, for me especially on serving, maybe not so much on offense, but on serving I would throw in like, hey, I've been bombing my jumper. Um, it's been working effectively, but we switch sides. Maybe I just throw a deep float that's a little bit high that fills that time where they're used to getting the ball quickly and making a decision. Now they have to prep their distance of their approach is different, their past trajectory is different. I feel like that that's a good time to throw in a wrinkle if you're winning.
Mark Burik (01:27:26):
I like that. I like that for really high level players, guys where it's easy for somebody to get into like a rhythm and they look like they're doing something clockwork. But if you're out there winning or playing in like a b tournament an A, a double A and you know that every time you serve them, you give them the same lollipop and they pass to a completely different zone and they get a completely different set every time. They're not really in a rhythm anyway. So if I were to coach like that moment, like they haven't established a routine of they can control a pass to one place, control set to one place and hit the same shot on touch. So then I would say, you don't need that change. Yeah. But when you feel like a professional or somebody super high quality, they're just doing the same thing and it looks the exact same every time and they're kicking your ass, change something.
Casey Patterson (01:28:18):
Mark Burik (01:28:19):
Even, even maybe before they, they decide to, uh, to adjust to whatever you're doing. Uh, okay. Arm swing Also, you mentioned about arm swings. Is that the same mindset for indoor volleyball too? DJ rs? I'm not. Could you, uh, ask that question again? I'm not quite sure. Uh, question for Casey is how can you effectively and fastly learn to look, um, before the jump when you attack? So how do you learn to look? I think it's Brandon, can you take over? I gotta go uh, for a second.
Casey Patterson (01:28:51):
Yeah, I'm here. , leave the door open. . Yeah, I think, uh, what was the question again? It was Oh, looking, looking. Yeah. I think, uh, court vision is something that a lot of people have their own version of and get confused on what that is. To be honest. Court vision is that preparation of a big approach and using your per peripheral, that's probably 80% of your vision. And then that look is almost just like a, a timestamp type check. Like, okay, I'm just a, just a quick look. It's more for the defense than anything. I'm not actually looking to be like, where are they? That's where they're gonna be when I attack. It's more just to give them like, Hey, I see where you're starting now. I'm gonna use my peripheral the rest of the time to make sure that if you move, you adjust, you dive one way other, the, the defender makes a fake or stays home. Like I'm using my peripheral to see the entire time. And that look is more of just like a, hey, I'm letting them know that I'm keeping my eye on them just to throw some stress their way. It's basically a stress look like, Hey dude, I see you, okay, now I'm gonna go and attack and still continue to look at you.
Brandon Joyner (01:30:00):
Yeah. And setting yourself up for that. I really like what you said about, um, the movie theater analogy. I think that that's perfect because everyone knows what it feels like to sit in, in, in the front row of a movie theater, of a movie that you're really looking forward to. Like now you can reserve seats, but like when we were growing up, like you just had to get what you got and Yeah, exactly. Those were always terrible. And that's the exact feeling you get when you're underneath the set, right? You're looking straight up, all you can see is a ball. But if you're sitting in the back, then when you're watching the movie, you can see that person three rows down to your right. That phone opens up, you know? Right. And it's kind of the same idea when you're thinking about attacking, is if you allowed that movie theater screen to be in front of you, then you're gonna be able to see that defender make that little move. And you might not be looking at that person directly, but you are gonna be able to see them. That little movement. And it's not gonna change your eye, your eye focus, but it'll allow you to help make a decision. I think.
Casey Patterson (01:30:59):
Exactly. I that's the perfect analogy. You see the movie here, the guy's phone comes on over here and you can see it while watching the movie. You know what I mean? Like that's exactly what court vision is to me.
Brandon Joyner (01:31:11):
That's awesome. I love that. Um, I'm just getting the
Casey Patterson (01:31:16):
What just happened?
Brandon Joyner (01:31:19):
We have so many people. Hey guys. Um, I love the fact that we're getting a lot of questions, but make sure that we're putting use the q and a for the questions, not the chat, because now we're just getting overwhelmed. Um, let's, uh, mark, are you back? Yeah. Oh sweet. Welcome back. Um, I don't, I don't really know where you were on the q and a. It just keeps growing. Um, how can I break the bad habit of being under the ball when I hit? I think we kind of, we kind of just talked about that with the movie screen. Cool. Keep yourself back far distance.
Casey Patterson (01:31:56):
Yeah. And I think that's probably the most common question and problem also when problem as professionals, even that we try to eliminate, get it coming in early. When you're anxious, you wanna cite out, you want to force it to happen. Everything's different. You talked about that earlier. Every muscle fiber is reacting differently. Testosterone is flowing, there's people watching and everything is faster and stiffer and quicker and your mind just doesn't process it calmly, uh, and smoothly like you want it to. So I think avoiding yourself coming early is one a big approach. And then two, I always tell myself, get the ball on your way up versus on your way down. Right? That's a big indicator. If you're almost landing and hitting a shot, it's most of the time when you're hitting the net or you're getting stuffed or you're shooting out. So that's a great self checked. Was I on my way down? Oh, okay. I was early. Um, so I always tell myself, get it on my way up.
Mark Burik (01:32:51):
Keep hearing more and more and more players saying, hit the ball on your way up. Hit the ball on your way up. And it's funny for like the people who were saying like, I can't get my timing. I'm always so early, how do I stop that? I go, that is one thing that you will hear every single match all the way from like the, the most beginner tournament all the way to this championship court. Like, shoot, I'm early. Wait. Yeah,
Casey Patterson (01:33:15):
Mark Burik (01:33:16):
You know, you're gonna battle it every day for the rest of your life. So just , start it now.
Casey Patterson (01:33:21):
Get used to figure it out. Yeah. ,
Mark Burik (01:33:25):
A lot of vision questions. Any tips to consistently hit off the net or from unfavorable positions? Um,
Casey Patterson (01:33:33):
Yeah, I think this goes to a mindset that I like to have starting off a match. If I'm gonna play random mark, I know that they're gonna grovel, they're gonna grind, they're gonna work hard, they're gonna try to out hustle me. So in my mind, before we even play you, I'm accepting the fact that this is gonna be really hard no matter how well I've been training or how good I think I am, or how many times I've we've played and you've beaten me or I've beaten you, that all of a side, I'm going to understand and accept that it's gonna be hard. Okay, so now I'm in the right mindset, it's gonna be hard. So that means I'm putting in the work and I'm, I've put my mind and body into a place where I'm gonna work hard no matter what. And I don't have an expectation of, dude, I better beat you guys 2116 or it was an awful mess, you know, that's embarrassing.
I didn't beat these guys or they didn't beat me. You know what I mean? Like you always have like this specific expectation before you play a type of team. Yeah. No matter who it's, or if it's a known fit, uh, a Phil and Nick, dude, I hope we can just pull it out in three. Well, if you think that way, then you're just like, dude, what, what are you even doing on the court? So except that it's gonna be hard. And then play your game with your partner. So that goes back to how I approach kind of a lot of these skills and uh, the mentality around the game is, except that it's gonna be hard. And then anything else that happens, it's positive. You're just like, sweet dude. That's just, that's just gravy. That's just the, the frosting, the sugar on top. That's the cherry. You know what I mean? Like I'm, now I can feed off those
Mark Burik (01:34:55):
Desserts are elaborate
Casey Patterson (01:34:57):
, no, sorry, I surveys at the Patterson house. I already forgot what the question was cause I was, was
Mark Burik (01:35:03):
How do you attack from unfavorable positions? Like when you're off the
Casey Patterson (01:35:09):
Net? Yeah, it's perfect. So understanding that, hey, this is gonna be hard. I'm gonna get sets from all over the place. I'm gonna stay calm. I'm gonna trust what I've done in training. I'm gonna have a big approach. I'm gonna focus on maintaining my step close and going to the ball. I've trained that I've got a big approach. I always have a a window of, of opportunity and I'm gonna step close to the ball on my way up. Now my favorite balls to attack indoor as an opposite. Where those ones that were at a system and I would come in like a freight train and just absolutely bury them because in system everyone can play well. Training the ones that are bad and getting good at those and looking forward to those. I always look forward to like a dig and then having my partner running down a ball.
And I used to even tell Jake, this is gonna be fun as he is running for a ball. Because I was so excited to try to prove that I could put this ball away, that I initially started with a positive mentality in that situation versus a, oh crap, he's 60 feet away. I hope I can just keep this ball in. You know what I mean? I was like, oh, I'm gonna absolutely bury this, you know what I mean? And I'm gonna really use this three quarter high smooth swing and carve and hit a sideline and we're gonna win. Like, that's how I approach it. Positive mentality, a big approach. Give myself room and have fun.
Mark Burik (01:36:20):
Do you, do you take anything off? Do you go harder, softer, flatter, sharper. Like when you get a set that's say at like 10, 11, 12 feet. So, so for people who have unreliable setters and they always get set off the net, like what's your advice to, to a young player who has to deal with all those offsets and bad sets?
Casey Patterson (01:36:39):
The key is to use your hand control, stay behind the ball and hit those, those speeds we've talked about so many times. Now, those in between speeds not a full shot, not a hundred percent swing, but those controlled elite level swings where you're, you're carving the ball and hitting a deep middle or a sideline those, and that lets you stay tall, smooth, and in control. If you tense up and try to swing, you bury it in the net or hit it out. If you hit a shot, it's too easy to see. You guys are gonna take advantage of it. So in transition, what made me successful over my career was being able to hit that exact high smooth carve attack, uh, in those situations.
Mark Burik (01:37:18):
I like that. Yeah, cuz I think people have like a, like an X or an O, like they have a hundred percent swing. Yeah. Where they consider like it's hard or they have a shot and it's got this like a to it, where it goes way up and way down. It's like there are a lot of percentages in between that you need on that a shot is not a 10% and loopy and a swing doesn't always have to mean that. It's just like you detonating. It's, you know, what do you need to be accurate? What do you need to be under control?
Casey Patterson (01:37:46):
Yeah, I love it. That's exactly what goes through my mind with every one of those types of attacks or that situation.
Mark Burik (01:37:53):
Um, so Maria, you talked about, uh, the uh, three fours and fives, like the different types of blocker calls. We're not gonna go through that during this webinar, but there is a, if somebody could find it, go ahead and find it and post it in the chat. But the McKibbon have a great video called Defense Explained on YouTube and it's got, you know, what a line means, what a one means, a two, A three, and a four. And it's a great YouTube video. It's on the McKibben's channel. So go ahead right over there and um, you can watch that after this and that explains all the defensive calls. Um, we'll take one more question from this and then we'll get back to a little bit of game film where we can analyze it from you. But, uh, Casey, when defending a hard driven ball, do you want to have a short reflex like contact or a long contact on the
Casey Patterson (01:38:45):
Ball? I think that's gonna change with where the attacker is and the distance from you. Um, I would say the answer that would just be having your, your ready position and your structure leading up to that dig be identical. Whether you're gonna make a long contact cuz you've got more time and the ball's traveled longer or if it's like a quick attack and it's right in your lap. But I think, um, just having those forearms up, facing the sun, palms facing the sun so that no matter if it's a long contact or quick one, that ball and the angle of your arms gets that ball to go up so you can make a play. I think that would be how I'd answer that in a way. I'm not sure exactly, but that would be my mentality around it.
Mark Burik (01:39:26):
We got a question. How, uh, Casey, how afraid were you to face the Pink Flamingo team at the Smack Fest tournament last October?
Casey Patterson (01:39:36):
? Did I, I don't think I've ever, you've
Mark Burik (01:39:39):
Casey Patterson (01:39:40):
I haven't played, so I played in the first Mac Fest ever that had the pro division. I played with Mike Lambert with uh, who was Brit Hoer was on my team. Um, who else? Uh, it was uh, Paul Baxter . Yeah. But I haven't played in a long time but they, I was probably really scared of them. Is that Troy's team or was that my team? That was our team . I was really scared. Yeah.
Mark Burik (01:40:08):
Um, okay, last question cuz I really like this one. Uh, you guys, thank you so much for getting involved with the q and a and thanks for sticking around this long. But uh, what do you do to keep yourself in check months after changing a habit? It's often that somebody, David here, he gets good advice, he changes his habit for two to three months, like works on it, but then he finds himself reverting back to what like his he's used to and what his body is comfortable.
Casey Patterson (01:40:32):
Mark Burik (01:40:33):
And I, you know, I've experienced this too, Casey, so I'm wondering how you battle it, but like I have this big back arch that my body likes to naturally go into and it affects my vision and it makes my shot really slower. So the last two years I've focused heavily on like keeping my chest upright, not leaning back and having a shorter, quicker arm swing instead of leaning back. But my body's like natural instinct to, to go back to that 10, 11, 12 years of that big slinky arm swing. So when you make a change, how do you make it stick?
Casey Patterson (01:41:06):
Yeah, I think the biggest part of being able to find that, the tool to fix that again would be when you're doing it right, what is that feeling and can you remember it? And then what are the mental cues that you have leading up to that specific skill? Because I guarantee you you're probably not thinking about that anymore and then you recognize that you did it the old way again and then you have to go back into, okay, what did I used to do in that situation? And so I think being very self aware is the answer for all of these skills. When we start to do things wrong, we go directly into, all right, I'm gonna make sure I stay back on my approach and get it on my up. That's how I answer every offensive problem for myself and then I end up doing really well and finding myself comfortable doing it the correct way again. So I would say having something that significantly resonates with your mind that helps your body go through that process again versus like, oh, I'm doing it wrong and then you just don't know what to do to get back.
Mark Burik (01:42:12):
Oh, okay. So like a, like a key, like a one-word name that you just like say to flip on whatever that that one word means. You know, like you say flamingo and to you that means like keep your head forward or something.
Casey Patterson (01:42:26):
Brandon Joyner (01:42:27):
I'm not sure uh, what the final score was, but we're getting close.
Casey Patterson (01:42:32):
Oh yeah, this is my
Brandon Joyner (01:42:33):
Need Deposit ?
Mark Burik (01:42:35):
Casey Patterson (01:42:36):
I think they have 13, 12 on us on the side switch. And then
Mark Burik (01:42:41):
Is this when the freeze was in?
Casey Patterson (01:42:43):
No, there's no freeze.
Mark Burik (01:42:44):
No freeze at this point. Okay.
Casey Patterson (01:42:46):
No freeze. So they have match point here.
Mark Burik (01:42:50):
So match point for trying John, let's go from wait is that 14 to
Casey Patterson (01:42:54):
Brandon Joyner (01:42:54):
That's 1213 right now.
Mark Burik (01:42:56):
Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Casey Patterson (01:42:59):
And this is a, that was a good point cuz I think I hit that ball on two out but John is right in the way and it hit him , I lucked out on that one.
Mark Burik (01:43:08):
So you got the double four called at 13. 13. So four is when Jake is going to allow the line to happen and he is gonna reach into the cross at the last minute and that usually means the defender runs the highline
Casey Patterson (01:43:23):
Shot. Yes. I'm giving up the swing and getting the shot. So we're waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting. Then once he can't see anymore is when we make that decision.
Mark Burik (01:43:36):
Looks like it was the right call. Just missed. Uh, do you, I mean to me, you know, when I see this now of course, um, and it's tough in the moment but this looks like something that Jake could have reached over and grabbed.
Casey Patterson (01:43:54):
Yeah. And that's something we get stuck in as players, right? Like hey it's a four call, I kind of, you almost put yourself in a cage where that's all you're really doing versus being able to maybe bounce out of it and take what is actually happening. But the same time, like his position and timing is pretty perfect and I think I would prefer him doing that versus trying to reach back maybe high and, and get that because then that just leaves so much room for try to swing there and then we'll start to chase him and then we're all over the place and now we're screwed. I'd rather trust him with that timing and getting close. I like to, I like to, we like to call it just affecting plays. If you're in a blocker that's touching a lot of balls but not blocking, that's okay. You're affecting plays which means that hitters you're on that hitter's mind whether or not you're scoring points or not, which over the long run that's gonna benefit you and your partner. And I think that spins a negative thought from a blocker like, ah dang it too. Okay, I'm right there. I'm getting closer, I'm getting closer.
Mark Burik (01:44:55):
And he was what, two, two inches from
Casey Patterson (01:44:58):
So close he
Mark Burik (01:44:59):
Shut down. Yeah, if try hits that, you know, half a centimeter in his hand differently. That's that.
Brandon Joyner (01:45:09):
I'm not really even sure what swing that is with that block line out
Casey Patterson (01:45:14):
Brian to tool Jake and just go high middle almost it looked like Yeah, match point, uhoh
Mark Burik (01:45:23):
Casey Patterson (01:45:24):
But we hadn't run like a tempo one in the middle for a while, but we'd been practicing it. So Jake came in for like a two ball in the middle. Wait
Mark Burik (01:45:30):
A match point
Brandon Joyner (01:45:32):
Mark Burik (01:45:33):
Like most crucial time you chose to do something different.
Casey Patterson (01:45:38):
This is the wrinkle that we threw in. He's like, we kind of talked about it. I'm like, dude, what do you think? The middle ball? He's like, let's go for it. .
Brandon Joyner (01:45:45):
What? That's amazing.
Casey Patterson (01:45:46):
Cause if you think about it, they hadn't played defense against it the whole time. So just as much as it's uncomfortable for you, it's just as uncomfortable for them. Like they had a plan, they have an on two option. They like, okay, Casey's gonna on two here, this is my responsibility. Jake's gonna get this approach, this is our responsibility where you throw that in, then they're like, whoa. It's just a panic button, right?
Mark Burik (01:46:07):
Mm-hmm. . That's, that's amazing. And I don't think a lot of the players, I don't know if I have the confidence of like match point i I go to do what works. Um, and what I like, I've been comfortable doing instead of thinking like how do I change it to make sure that they're off balance and I wreck their plan right now. Cause you know, they came up with a plan
Casey Patterson (01:46:30):
For sure. They
Mark Burik (01:46:31):
Probably had my job is to obliterate that plan and then get the kill.
Casey Patterson (01:46:34):
Mark Burik (01:46:36):
That's I that's great. All right. So his second pass kind of off the net, right? Two passes where he passed almost behind half court, forced himself into a low vision situation and we're running a four again.
Casey Patterson (01:46:52):
Yep. Three in a row here.
Mark Burik (01:46:55):
Do you like your timing here or is this too hard
Casey Patterson (01:46:57):
For you as he's looking? I'm going, which for me is not great, but here's the deal. This goes back to what we talked about. Jake affected that last play. He almost blocked try now try is more worried about Jake than he is about me. And this is where trusting your partner and that timing and that process is gonna pay pay off in the long run. Now I luck out and I had tomahawk one cuz I, I overran it. It was so obvious of what we were doing. Um, but that's because we trusted each other that play before we didn't score.
Mark Burik (01:47:31):
I've been, I've been kind of debating like what to do on this run line. Like if you, if you wait until contact, you're gonna need to sprint. But if you feel yourself getting early, for me, I almost want to turn my move into like a sort of shuffle so that if he fluffs this ball middle yes at least I have a chance of recovering like this. Where you're fully committed to that side
Casey Patterson (01:47:53):
Goes angle. I a hundred percent agree with you. And that's something that I constantly implemented in defense for me, is to not be so committed on my, uh, plays to the ball to be more of like a floater where I'm neutral and able to bounce out and react back. If you would've gone high off Jake's hands, if you would've, I would've been screwed there,
Mark Burik (01:48:13):
Right? Yeah. Cuz if, if you are anticipating he hits a high line, you can shuffle into that and lightly be there. Like yes. You didn't need to be sprinting to that sign line. Oh look at this swing.
Casey Patterson (01:48:26):
Yeah, I was just going high middle on this one. I'm like, I'm not taking any chances. Thumper
Mark Burik (01:48:32):
. And for those of you, like for those people who are, who are thinking about angles and everything, this, this, I only started thinking about this maybe three, four years ago when I started working with Evie that there is more angle than just generic angle at John's chest right here. Yeah, there are, there's short cutting, there's long cutting, there's sharp chop cross, there's jumbo, there's okay hitting John on the face and then there's the middle cross, right? But there's like, there's a lot of different types of crosses that I think people need to embrace a little bit more so that this ball gets untouched. Like Casey hits right here, that sea cross, which is between the blocker who's committed to the line and between John who has to be in the middle of his court there.
Casey Patterson (01:49:16):
Yeah. Cause I mean as a defensive team, how bummed are you on that? Like you're in two really good positions. You're taking your job, tries guarding the middle, he is taking it, John's in the meet ready to play and then it's like right in between him both and just like, oh it's so demoralizing in a way,
Brandon Joyner (01:49:34):
But it kind of looks like you uh, that set got a little pushed outside you and try got, if you watch his right hand, he, he completely falls for reaching with that right hand which opened up that seam,
Casey Patterson (01:49:49):
Mark Burik (01:49:51):
Yeah. He had his left hand had the line. I don't know why he put his right hand there too.
Casey Patterson (01:49:56):
Brandon Joyner (01:49:57):
Because, but I mean I think that's just, that's just what happens in the heat of the moment where you're just like, okay, I'm gonna grab this ball and Right. I think Casey got it too quick.
Casey Patterson (01:50:06):
I think also there's a lot of, uh, history and tendencies that he's playing off of. Like I loved going high flat line in that situation more often than not. So I think he was making actually a really good educated in the moment play and I went with something that I didn't normally do. So I think that kind of also played a role in that whole situation. The inner game.
Mark Burik (01:50:29):
Okay, so you've got, you ran
Brandon Joyner (01:50:30):
Mark Burik (01:50:31):
Got a block touch, ran a four again. Got a highline dig. We're on defense here. What do we call four? So three fours in a row and the match,
Brandon Joyner (01:50:48):
Another sideline serve.
Casey Patterson (01:50:49):
Mark Burik (01:50:52):
This is, oh my gosh, that slow shuffle into it. Look at, okay, so a little bit of step wide so that it makes try think that the line is even more open.
Casey Patterson (01:51:03):
Yes. A little bit more bait.
Mark Burik (01:51:06):
A little bit more bait. So I think in early leave, but ,
Casey Patterson (01:51:13):
I, I agree but I think also with the pressure that he's going through right now mm-hmm. it,
Mark Burik (01:51:20):
He's a little bit blinded. We
Casey Patterson (01:51:21):
Were okay. We were we could get away with it a little bit. I agree. Yeah.
Brandon Joyner (01:51:25):
He's not looking at you at all.
Casey Patterson (01:51:26):
No, he's just worried about getting it past Jake and me going early actually paid off cuz he went a little quicker.
Mark Burik (01:51:34):
And this is where you go over to Stok, and, and all those guys. And Keer was in that box, I think
Casey Patterson (01:51:40):
All the legends dude, just talking the whole time. Get your plaque on the Pi, dude, this is your shot. And just the whole match. It was so fun.
Mark Burik (01:51:48):
And uh, talk, talk me through the swing that finishes it here. Um, so you got the day we talked about the defense, talk about this, this swing. What what's going through your head right now after this day?
Casey Patterson (01:51:57):
I'm like, stay back, don't go early. Just keep that ball in front of you.
Mark Burik (01:52:01):
That's what you were thinking. You weren't thinking like, get this, get this kill, get this fucking kill. Sorry. Get this kill.
Casey Patterson (01:52:07):
Because Tyler had, I think we called the time out somewhere near the end of this game. Either they did or we did. And Tyler said, dude, when you get your dig, make sure you remember to stay back and let's hit that three quarter angle dart you love. So I'm like, okay . So wow. That's all I thought about.
Mark Burik (01:52:28):
So on Match Point gets a dig from Manhattan Beach Open, gets the dig for Match Point and says, wait, stay back.
Casey Patterson (01:52:36):
Yeah. Just wait, stay back and make sure you run at all the legends in the box behind you.
Brandon Joyner (01:52:42):
. Oh, that's amazing.
Casey Patterson (01:52:46):
So good. Jake's like, whoa, where are you? I'm like, I'm over here dude. ,
Mark Burik (01:52:50):
Brandon Joyner (01:52:52):
Do you have like a, a feeling right now of like similar to when you won it at all? I'm sure you've watched this game.
Casey Patterson (01:52:58):
Oh, a hundred percent dude. Like goosebumps right now. You know, first thing I said is like, I made it like, I always like to compare like the, the plaque on the pier of like, kind of like the uh, the old ancient Viking heaven bahaa. Like you got to go with all the ancient warriors who died like in the heat of battle . I was like, I made it. You know what I mean? So like that feeling comes back every time I watch it. That's awesome.
Mark Burik (01:53:25):
Casey Patterson (01:53:26):
Mark Burik (01:53:27):
. Good deal. Hey Casey, we're um, man, can't thank you enough for, for joining us here and um, just, uh, do you have any partners, sponsors, anybody you wanna shout out? Anybody that, um, anything that anybody should do? Of course they should follow you, subscribe to the YouTube channel
Casey Patterson (01:53:46):
To be honest. First thing is to keep supporting YouTube guys. I think you're doing such a great job in providing so much quality and knowledge and help, uh, for players at every different level. I feel like number one or the players that are currently in this dream life of trying to be a pro that doesn't really pay, but we get to like make it happen. So I think first of all, support you guys. I love it. I love what you guys are doing. Um, and then like you said earlier, mark, I feel like by supporting us it's by like liking and following us and uh, engaging with us so that we're able to provide, you know, affiliate codes and discounts to you guys with all the brands that love and support us. And that's how you kind of support us in a way is that you just kind of help us that way.
You're not even really financially supporting us, you're just giving us an opportunity to share our platform. And I feel like that's, that's how we have to do it these days. But you know, I've got a list of sponsors that has changed and evolved over the years and everybody's paying less or differently or you've gotta be an online salesman with your affiliate coachs. Like all that stuff, it's so different. So it all comes back to just the fans and all of us loving the sport and supporting each other. So I don't really shout out anybody but ourselves as players and you guys as fans. Like we're all in it together. And so just like we want help you by providing these webinars, you guys give us feedback and tell us what you need. And to be honest that's, that's the answer.
Mark Burik (01:55:12):
And uh, Casey, I wanna thank you personally, uh, cause for us telling them right now to like reach out, you know, when I was first coming out to the beach I sent you, I probably still have it somewhere, but I sent you this Facebook message saying like, Hey man, you played pro indoor in Sweden, I played pro indoor in Sweden. You went and like now you're an AVP pro. Do you have any advice and you like way back when you sent me this long message back that I like couldn't even understand, the only reason I had the marbles to like send that message was because you had played in the same professional country that I played in. So I was like, maybe he'll think we're a little bit connected. Um, and you wrote this massive response back and were super encouraging. So just wanted to thank her I guess always being That's awesome. Encouraging and that involved with people who were looking for help and advice.
Casey Patterson (01:56:02):
I actually remember that. That's sweet. Stoked you brought that up . Yeah, I remember that. suchs good times. And then we battled in Huntington for years.
Mark Burik (01:56:11):
Yeah, . Yeah and then we then we moved on to greener pastures and . But cool. So Casey, thanks again. Really appreciate you guys coming. Guys if you wanna stick around with me and Brandon for a little bit, we're gonna, we'll talk just a little bit too, but, uh, gonna let Casey run. Do you, do you have anything that uh, that you're getting into in the next week or month? Like what's your plan for the next
Casey Patterson (01:56:34):
Week? Just trying to stay in shape, lifting hard and then, you know, get random ball touches with the kids. I set up a, a net from Parkinson's in my backyard. They gave me a net so I got it up and we're doing like pepper over the net and just passing drills and teach 'em how to surf. So I get, I get my own passing drills. So it's been really fun to kind of get my kids more involved with the sport. So that's what I'm doing. I'll probably be shooting some fun, uh, kid children type tutorials and then ones that help parents kind of help their kids in a way too. So kind of coaching
Mark Burik (01:57:04):
The parents of that idea.
Casey Patterson (01:57:06):
So, uh, cuz that's the world I'm in right now is like parents gotta invest, you know, six ran club volleyball. Well do they, does do they even wanna play yet? I don't know. Like here's some things you can do to help them kind of advance and see if they love it before you commit to a full lifetime of volleyball in the gym with whistles. So
Mark Burik (01:57:23):
I like, oh yeah,
Casey Patterson (01:57:24):
That's kinda the world I'm in right now, so I'll be doing a lot of that stuff in the next couple weeks.
Mark Burik (01:57:28):
All right guys. Um, he did mention Parkinson net, so I'm gonna go ahead and post a link that we have to a net
Casey Patterson (01:57:36):
That's been doing it forever and they support volleyball, they're cool.
Mark Burik (01:57:40):
Yeah, they do. I'm gonna post that link and it is, uh, if you want to go ahead and and invest in it, you go ahead and invest in it, but, uh, it's an affiliate link so we might get, uh, like a dollar 50 outta it. There you go. Cool. Casey, thanks again man. We will talk to you as soon as hopefully we could run this again because huge fan base came since we, since we got you and the question and answer session has going, awe
Casey Patterson (01:58:05):
Sweet. Yeah, let's do it again.
Mark Burik (01:58:06):
We'd love to do it again and then, uh, if not, we'll just see you at practice.
Casey Patterson (01:58:10):
Cool. See you guys. Yeah,
Brandon Joyner (01:58:11):
See you soon man. Thanks a lot.
Casey Patterson (01:58:13):
Yeah, of course. See you guys later. That
Mark Burik (01:58:15):
Was pretty cool,
Brandon Joyner (01:58:16):
Man. Another one. These are, uh, every single time we get on I'm like, ah, I don't know if this one's gonna be as good as the last one, but they're always good
Mark Burik (01:58:24):
. Um, the mindset that he's, you know, that like I felt that thing at match point where you finally get your dig and it's match point and how many thoughts and emotions run through your head. And the one thing that he told himself before, he gets his name on the fear pier one swing to get his name on the pier and it's stay back. Wait,
Brandon Joyner (01:58:46):
I, I like, thought about it in my mind when he said that and my answer was like, I'm bouncing this over the, which is probably why my name's not up there. .
Mark Burik (01:59:00):
Brandon Joyner (01:59:01):
Man, that's awesome. That was phenomenal.
Mark Burik (01:59:03):
Brandon Joyner (01:59:04):
That patience. All the teamwork talk. I think a lot of people need to hear that because a lot of people are going through this growing pain of, of beach volleyball and they think about, they don't think about the fact that in order for them to get better, the people around them have to be there in order to help them get better. You know, so that mindset of, of going in and keeping your partners happy and keeping them productive is, is huge and it's the easiest way for you see improvement as well,
Mark Burik (01:59:32):
Right? So underrated, like how to talk to my partner to make them better. We, we say that to our, to our guys in the classes a lot, right? Where we're like, Hey, you've been hammering him now you've been telling him what he is done wrong. You've been fixing his technique. You've been telling him that his set is tight. You've been telling him that he needs to keep serves in, just keep it in. And now on match point, you're gonna need this guy that you've been kicking sand on for the last hour. You're gonna need him to score for you when you have done nothing to help build his confidence throughout that match. And I think Casey just brings up those amazing points of build your player throughout practice, build them throughout the match and find ways to take pressure off of them because you need them. You need that guy to be confident at match points. So stop with all of the corrections, do that in practice, do that in pool play maybe mm-hmm. . And then get to the point where it's like building time. Um, guys, if you are here, you guys showed a lot of interest in our attacking course and we have two ways to get access to our attacking course. So I'm gonna go ahead, I'm gonna post them in the link. Okay.
Brandon Joyner (02:00:40):
And, uh, Nick, or especially while you're doing that, we had, I mean Nick uh, was asking about, uh, he needs some tutorials for kids. And so these courses that we built out, um, they're absolutely perfect for that. They are, they're complete courses. So you're not only getting the tutorials of how to perform each skill, but you're also getting a little deeper education on how they can be implemented into matches and how you're going to grow. So it's like, it's a perfect example for somebody who's a beginner and it's also a good course for people who, like Mark and I who are trying to figure out that 1% that can get you better and win you more points. Cause honestly, once you get to a certain point, that's really what you're looking for. Uh, mark you can go ahead. I just saw that in the chat and wanted to bring it up.
Mark Burik (02:01:33):
No, absolutely. Um, yeah, people tend to think that like they can't learn anymore from anybody else or they can't learn something online. And guys, if you got something out of this two hours, if you think that your game has improved, imagine like we have a serve receive course that is 19 video lessons, like 19 lessons in just our serve receive course and our memberships. They bu bundle all of these. So I've posted the links to our main draw membership, which is includes passing, setting, serving and spiking and the 60 day strength and conditioning program. Or you can just buy an individual course for a one time price and that course just keeps growing with you. And that's for 84 99 right here. And I've posted those two links. So membership by far is going to be your best value. Um, but if you wanna just get a lifetime pass to that course and since you are here, this isn't our normal price, but since you're here, we're only using $85 for a course and we spent hours on this and learned for decades and we constantly learn as you see from our colleagues on the AVP and F I B B and we incorporate all of that into a really easy to follow step by step plan to get you better at attacking.
Cause we covered a lot this week, right? Just on, on attacking, but now it's, well what drills should I do to get better at that? How often should I do it? How many minutes a day? How many days a week? It's covered in our courses and you can take a look and it's a 30 day money back guarantee. So absolutely no worries if you find that it's not valuable enough for you get the return, get the refund, and uh, no hard feelings. But we also have some seat sweet swag. Uh, you are welcome for doing the webinars and offering the courses. Absolutely you can use these for learning indoor as well. Like our setting course, our serve received course massively, massively important for learning indoor passing and all of the footwork that we use on the beach for attacking, you need it completely in indoor, it's just beach volleyball.
Players have to be better at doing their footwork. You know, I wanna say that, but people are gonna attack me. But you have to be better and more consistent because you are the person who is hitting every single time. If you get sir, there's gonna be no one else to hit and bail you out in that moment. So you guys can go ahead and check those. And if you are interested right now in the strength and conditioning course, it is a 60 day strength and conditioning course. Right now there's probably nothing you could do aside from in-home drills, online learning like we're already providing and a 60 day strength program, strength program, which is specific to volleyball players. It's stuff that we wanted. All of these tools that we're giving you guys for free absolutely wanted you. So if you have any hesitations or any problems like why you're hesitant, let us know. Right? Tell us like I just, I don't know why I would want to, I don't know if I could get better from learning online. If you think think you got better right now from a two hour webinar, like spending it with us, there are so many more hours and access to every webinar that we have ever run and every private video lesson we've ever run within those memberships.
Brandon Joyner (02:04:50):
We originally designed these courses so that they could be used kind of an implement implementing them throughout your practices. Like, and, and that was gonna be like a very good addition to your already training, but especially since we're all stuck inside. Um, luckily we were very close to being done with all this stuff when this whole thing hit. But all I've been doing is studying online, watching film, analyzing my game, trying to pick up new skills by watching players that are not myself and I these courses do a really good job of kind of helping you gain knowledge while you
Mark Burik (02:05:30):
Can't play. You know, I just want to add Brandon, like what, because I studied YouTube and I studied by watching players nonstop and without somebody telling me what they were thinking, I was trying to imagine what they were thinking, what rules they were going by. Like, right, you know, having the ability to hear Casey or, or one of us say on match point, what is your thought process, right? You can make something up and keep going on that road, but it might be the complete wrong direction just because you see it and you come up, you decide that there's a reason for this. You could be going in a very, very wrong direction. And I know that I personally went in several wrong directions cause I tried to come up with my own answers before I worked with my great coaches and they like brought me back and like, no, no, no, you need to focus on one thing and that's it.
You know, you don't need to think about these three or four different things. I remember the first time when I was 28, Matt Davis goes, what's your, what is your swing when you're in trouble? And I started like cycling through like, oh, uh, like, uh, well what situation, how far off the net I am? He goes, all of the best players in the world have one answer and what is that answer? You know? And so I had to tell him that, that answer and we came up with it and I was like, man, I needed one guy who wasn't even a professional coach but was a very experienced player to corral my thoughts and steer me in the right directions that I stopped wasting time. And there's one thing that I, that I don't want anybody else to do, it's to waste as much time as I did trying to come up with their own answers when we're already providing them in these courses,
Brandon Joyner (02:07:05):
Right? Yeah. We we had that talk a lot last night with Damien talking about how, how much of a difference a coaching environment had with them. And whether you, if you're attending this webinar, you already care enough about the sport, you know what I mean? You're already doing more than a lot of the people that consider themselves to be volleyball players. And if you're at this webinar, you're probably either either a player or you're a coach. And the more information that you can take in as either a player or a coach is going to help you become better at that Mark. And I consider ourselves to be very good coaches. Uh, we've spent a lot of time studying under other people. We still take the opportunity to talk to our coaches that are, are still working with us whenever we, I know we are, we got work with our arm swings a couple months ago and it honestly felt more when I was getting that lesson, I was honestly more worried about gaining the knowledge so that I could teach it more than I could apply it.
And I think if you're a coach attending this webinar, it's something where we're trying to provide information for you as well. Whether it's how to develop a practice plan, the keys to certain drills, like whenever you show up to a practice, I'm sure Mark would maybe teach a skill completely different than me. Uh, but that idea is gonna be very similar. And the, the one thing that is very similar with us is that we do use similar keys. Um, and those keys are the things that help you out a lot. And if you're a coach or if you're a player that doesn't know what these keys are, then you're really just delaying your improvement.
Mark Burik (02:08:45):
You know, like to me the things are like, why wouldn't I buy a course? Like one of them would be like financial, right? I was like, okay, you know, I'm, I'm playing here and it's like I don't know if, if I can afford it, but it's, if you're playing tournaments or you're coaching, how much are you willing to invest in actually winning that tournament? Cause if you're already putting down $40, $20 for a tournament and we're charging 80 bucks, like you're playing two tournaments and you're getting your ass kicked when the answers to winning are right here for the, the cost of two tournaments when you can't even play a tournament right
Brandon Joyner (02:09:20):
Now. I know for me, like I moved out to California and I got bit by the bug of the South Bay where you go out a lot and everyone's friendly and you want to go out and have fun with your friends. And I had to sit, I had to look at myself in the mirror and say, you know what, what's more important to you? Is it getting better at beach volleyball or is it going out and having fun? You know, cuz let's say I was spending a hundred dollars a week at the bar, you know, I could take that $100 and I could pay a coach. So I think that that's a really easy way to look at it. You know, there's probably some things that you're doing in your life right now that are holding you back and you know it, but it's just realizing that and kind of being able to make a decision to say, Hey, I'm tired of just calling myself a volleyball player. It's time for me to beat one. And I think that that's pretty big. Um, and once you can kind of do that, it's gonna, it's gonna help you out in the long run for sure.
Mark Burik (02:10:15):
Um, some somebody asked, somebody's asking right here, air 51 is asking, uh, if we have the passing and the blocking one too. So, uh, we don't have the blocking one up yet or the defense one up yet. There's a super in depth, um, and detailed and what we do have is passing, setting, hitting, and serving plus the 60 day strength and conditioning program. And that's just all in the Rising Star, right? So that's just 35 bucks a month for as long as you want to use it. And again, what you buy today is going to be twice as strong in 3, 4, 5 months when we continue to add all of the lessons to it. So those, those never stop. And if you ever get bored and you, and you think you've learned enough from them, well then it's time for you to come out to a camp. Um, at B Camp Promosa for seven days, we run seven day training camps in California. So as soon as this nonsense is done, uh, definitely come and visit us. But yeah, serving, passing, setting and hitting are all in the Rising Star membership and it's just 35 bucks. How much would you pay to have a lesson from a national team coach, right, from a professional player for one lesson in person we charge 90,
Brandon Joyner (02:11:29):
Right? And that's the cheapest around . 100%.
Mark Burik (02:11:33):
Yeah. Um, so if, if you're looking at this and you're just like questioning, you know, is it worth it? How, how worth it would it be for you to set 50% of your balls better because you had one key, you know, to pass all those better? How much would it be worth it for you to stop getting knocked out in pool play? You know, just because you learn the simple keys that are going to give you those points for everything.
Brandon Joyner (02:11:58):
So Patrick is asking, does the main draw include all the stuff or all the stuff found in the Rising Star?
Mark Burik (02:12:05):
Yes, it does.
Brandon Joyner (02:12:06):
Yeah. Yes it does. So with the, um, the, the Rising Star has the courses for passing settings, serving and attacking. It also has a 60 day workout program, right? Yep. And the main draw membership includes all of that plus our complete video analysis library in which that's not only are you getting stuff like we did today with Casey, but you're also getting times where Mark and I break down our own game where you're personally getting to see what it looks like, dive into a, a video analysis, which a lot of people don't know how to do it all. And you're getting a focused idea of what that video analysis is gonna look like.
Mark Burik (02:12:49):
Yeah. Every time we do our little pre-practice meeting, um, or like our post practice meeting where we're looking at film together guys, we're posting that we're adding those on. Every time we do a video analysis with our campers that are seven day camps, we're adding those in. The value just never stops increasing. And that's our goal is to just bring you value, help you get past those losses and, and you might not understand why you're losing or why you're failing at something. And it's just because if you had somebody just show you the right way, once it would be there for the rest of your life and somebody here made a great point, like it's, it's worth it because it's a skill that lasts you for your life. Like what, what about when you need to teach your kid? What about when you need to coach somebody on a team? Are you going to give them information that came from like the highest level came from national team and came from pro players? Are you going in like, because you did it this way, right? How many times have I heard that from some 50 year old who was playing in the bottom rung of a, of an open tournament? Well this is how I do it and it works for me, but does it work for you? Is that knowledge coming from like a professional player and somebody who's coached thousands and thousands of hours and players?
Brandon Joyner (02:14:02):
That's such a good point because you know, I'm a teacher at heart and imagine getting a research paper, a research assignment on the Civil War and instead of doing research you just write what you think happened in terms of . You know, like you're gonna get a terrible grade and you should, right? And that's what exactly what coaches are doing that aren't willing to look at out outside resources and are just relying on their own information because there's so much out there that can make you a better coach. And if you're not willing to look outside, then to be honest, and this is probably the only way to say it, you're just stubborn. Not only is it not fair to you as a coach, it's not fair to the people that you're coaching.
Mark Burik (02:14:44):
That's a really good point. It's not fair to the people that you're coaching if you only bring your own knowledge that you made up in your mind. That's like somebody going into a cave, seeing other people living in caves like and or seeing other people like work in math books and then trying to make up rules to a, to math and then giving it to you and saying, I'm a math teacher. You know, like be fair to your players, be fair to the people that you teach and the people that you interact with and get quality information out there so that you guys prove way, way, way quicker. Spider-Man was in World War ii. That's yeah, that's totally true. If I want to teach my daughters which membership would you recommend that I get? I would say that you should start. So what level are, are your daughters Daniel or is it Daniel?
Brandon Joyner (02:15:31):
Is that our guy Daniel?
Mark Burik (02:15:33):
I'm not sure. But if, if you're looking at teacher daughters, so we have the, we do have the beginner's course which is really, really cheap and it's just, so if they're super beginners and you're just looking for like an easy start, then the best place to start is going to be the rookie membership, which is nine bucks per month and it gives you three introductory videos and drills on passing, setting and spiking right Brennan?
Brandon Joyner (02:15:57):
Yeah. And serving
Mark Burik (02:15:59):
And serving and a free drill book that you can do as well. Yeah. So like it's a great start to place to a place to start with the basics, get those tips, get those keys again, we keep adding new tools into that membership and into each product. But if you are just a beginner, and a lot of this was over your head or would be over the head of somebody who is starting, we built a beginner's course and that is in the rookie membership. So, um, aren't they all free on your YouTube channel? Uh, that's a great question Nick. No. Uh, we do post a lot of videos on YouTube, uh, but that's about 30% of the videos that we have and the courses that we've built in the tutorials that we have. So yes, we are putting it out onto YouTube, but even with a million views in the last two months, I think the YouTube has given the two of us $80, you know, um, to split. And, and those that million views has has cost us , um, a complete year of our lives. So YouTube doesn't, YouTube doesn't pay. And if you appreciate good knowledge and you see the value in having a good coach because you wanna improve, then this is the way to invest in yourself and
Brandon Joyner (02:17:15):
To invest. And if you want our videos to remain somewhat watchable by having a video editor, having a video editor like Tanya, I think she's still watching who's absolutely amazing. Um, but if Mark and I were to put these videos together, they uh, probably wouldn't turn out as well or nearly as
Mark Burik (02:17:36):
Good. She's having to deal with one of my edits cuz I tried to save her time and it's a nightmare right now. , um, any of you guys are looking for video editors for your small business or for anything, shout that out in the chat because Tanya is here and she is a fantastic editor and as a video editor creator, we are all at a time where we need some extra work. So, um, I'm posting that in here and if you can support our employees, that would be great. Um, I'm a coach studying sports coaching. I have a lot of thoughts and it would be cool to discuss some things over email or something. Do you guys think that would be possible? Yeah, Simon, that, that would be easy. Um, I'll send you a Calendly link just right now. If you could send an email to mark bamp promosa.com I will send you a Calendly link where we can set up a time to meet and yeah, I would love to to hear more about that sports coaching.
Brandon Joyner (02:18:31):
Well hopefully, uh, a lot of you guys will be tuning back in tonight, right at six 30.
Mark Burik (02:18:37):
Yep. Oh six. Yes. I think we're going at six tonight. Um, where we have Carrie Pot Hurst, Australian Gold and bronze medalist in beach volleyball and three time Olympian. And now she's catapulted her career to being a motivational speaker. So she talks about success not only like just in beach volleyball, but all parts of life. So what, what's your number one question that you're gonna ask her,
Brandon Joyner (02:19:04):
Brandon? Oh man, I gotta think about it. I love people that are, are motivational, you know, it's just something that really gets to me and I am one of those people as driven as I like to say I am. I, I do need the, the motivation, I need the motivational movies, I need the motivational quotes, I need the motivational books. Getting a chance to be on the call with her is, I can't imagine what I'm gonna gonna ask, but I'm definitely looking forward to
Mark Burik (02:19:28):
It. Definitely. I'm gonna say like, how do you convert, like when you stopped playing, what were the first couple years like when you were done with your sport and that transition, which which can be scary.
Brandon Joyner (02:19:37):
Yeah. Cause especially whenever we're in the arena, so to say, our influence on people is quite large and, and you kind of get used to that and you, you really love the idea that you get to reach so many people. Uh, and one of the big worries that I think we do have is, is how can I maintain that influence once I'm done playing? And it's pretty cool that she's figured out a way to do that, so.
Mark Burik (02:20:04):
Brandon Joyner (02:20:05):
I'm sure we can take a lot away from it too.
Mark Burik (02:20:07):
I still have like a power base or a place to speak from if I'm no longer one of the best athletes in my sport, people can easily feel like their power base is, is removed there and they get, they might get more shy about talking than they Right. During like, during their career. Yeah guys, that's it. Um, like I said, if you are investing in your game, uh, and you want private video lessons, we do have those, but, uh, the Rising Star membership is going to get you so far along the way. And we do have the individual courses as well, which we posted just the passing and the setting here. Well, way, way, way worth your time. I hope you guys enjoy them and we would love to hear as much feedback as you guys can give us time. So go ahead and email us, use vo chat on the b chat forum on Better Beach to communicate with us, uh, send us emails, love talking to you guys. That's it. Brandon, do you wanna answer any last Q and as here we got 41 with one bonus. Do you wanna scroll and pick one
Brandon Joyner (02:21:07):
Bone? All right, I'm just gonna scroll for I didn't scroll. All right, there we go. I'm going, I'm just gonna go blindly up and down, up and down, up and down. And do you see the game evolving into a more deceptive or more trick plays oriented eg back overhead set attack? Yeah, I, I mean, and that was from Aaron. I don't know if you're still here, but, um, I think that we're already seeing that, uh, teams are looking deeper into themselves into finding how they can win. And it's, I think that the game is, is going within the next five years. I think that we're gonna see offensive styles that we haven't seen before. And I'm not a hundred percent sure what those are. I think if I could predict them or if I could come up with one, then you guys will probably see me on something other than Zoom, maybe sports center or something. Yeah, I, I think that we haven't even broke the surface on how this game can change and really excited to see what it's gonna look like. We're already seeing it with the quick sets, with the spreading, with the running around, with the over on twos and deceptive ways, the sports getting more entertainment entertaining for sure.
Mark Burik (02:22:20):
Well, uh, Brandon, you wanna you wanna sign us off here?
Brandon Joyner (02:22:23):
Yeah, well I appreciate you guys, guys coming. Um, like we said, uh, supporting us is, you can do it in multiple ways. Uh, if you are interested in getting better, obviously those courses or memberships are going to be very, very big for you. Uh, if you're not ready to spend money, that is completely fine. We love having you guys around. We love you checking out our YouTube channel. Make sure you subscribe. Um, and then also if you enjoyed this webinar, talk about it. Tell your friends, share it on your Facebook pages. If you see us share it, um, that's one way that you could help us that is completely free. Um, and all it takes is a few clicks. Uh, and your friends will listen to you a lot more than they'll listen to someone they don't know. So, uh, that would be really, really big. And then I hope we see you guys tonight, um, and keep bringing the great questions. Looking at that q and a and seeing 41 is pretty big. So that's, uh, that's really cool. I like the interaction, so I appreciate it. All right.
Mark Burik (02:23:22):
All right. Uh, we need some kind of cool, uh, sign off phrase. Since, since we're gonna be doing this consistently, we, we'll have maybe Tonya or Chris Kawa like, felt some kind of sound bite for us,
Brandon Joyner (02:23:33):
. Yeah, we'll have to, we'll have to find something so long ,
Mark Burik (02:23:39):
Just cause it's a couple hours. Guys. See you all in a couple hours. Uh, if you're coming, have a good day. Hope we brought value as always. Check you later.
Brandon Joyner (02:23:49):
All right, have a good one guys. See ya.