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Brandon Joyner:
I think one of the biggest dumb rules that I've heard at any tournament that I've ever played in was I'll see someone get called for a double, they'll ask why, and then the referee will say something about it.
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Brandon Joyner:
Spun more than two rotations.
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Brandon Joyner:
I hear that you're just opening yourself up for me to try to make you sound dumb.
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Mark Burik:
Welcome to the Better at Beach Volleyball Podcast.
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Mark Burik:
Today we are going to be talking about every dumb, misconceived, misunderstood, made up rule and all of the versions of all of these made up rules.
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Mark Burik:
And we're going to tell you what the real rules are according to FIVB and AVP.
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So if you guys are hoping to dispel some myths, if you constantly get involved in these discussions and arguments over what rules are right, this is going to be your absolute resource.
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Mark Burik:
Anytime you get into one of these, you just say, hey, tournament director, check this out.
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Of course, you have to stop the tournament.
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Tell the referee that you're going to go over and you're going to get the tournament director so you can get a rule clarification, and then you're going to get the business.
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Mark Burik:
So a lot of people, when they're talking about rules, they argue and it just becomes just a battle of attrition.
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If you know the rules, you can display them or you can tell them to that referee.
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And then if they don't know the rules or they're trying to say something else, they need to give you a reasonable explanation.
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And everybody is an amateur referee.
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But it's totally okay to stop a tournament and say, hey, let me just check with your boss.
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It's basically like going into McDonald's.
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Let me speak to your manager.
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Right, because that's the person who knows the real rules and you can get stuff done.
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So if you ever get into a real argument and you know that you're right, it's always okay to stop and say, let me just talk to the permit director for a little bit.
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Mark Burik:
That's what we're going to be talking about today.
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How to argue the right rules.
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What the right rules are most commonly discussed ones.
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Mark Burik:
And my name is Mark Burik and as always, co host Brandon Joyner.
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Brandon Joyner:
Hello.
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Brandon Joyner:
It's good to be back another Monday.
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Brandon Joyner:
We just got a couple of announcements.
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We just got back from doing one of our awesome day clinics in San Francisco, and I'm still on a high from it.
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Brandon Joyner:
It was just amazing.
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Brandon Joyner:
The crew up there is something else when we do our camps, our camps are cool because obviously by the end of the week you feel like, you know every single person.
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Brandon Joyner:
But it does take a few days.
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Brandon Joyner:
And for some reason with this San Francisco crew, the second we started talking to everybody as a group, it already felt like we're towards the end of that week and we were a part of their family.
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They were a part of ours.
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And in my opinion, as far as a day clinic go, it could not have gone better.
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Brandon Joyner:
I think our coaches we had we had Joe Kramer with us, Alli Denny, DJ, I don't want to say it wrong, and he's definitely going to listen to this episode and give me a hard time for that.
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But it's awesome.
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You sent a text out to us yesterday explaining how grateful we are to have this great family around us.
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And it truly is awesome.
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And I feel so fortunate to be working with a good crew of people.
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It's just fun.
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And this weekend just added to it.
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Brandon Joyner:
It was great.
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Mark Burik:
Yeah.
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Mark Burik:
Good people, too.
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Mark Burik:
I think when we started seven years ago, just wild to say the same Ferring crew, they were great to us.
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Mark Burik:
We had two big kind of loyal followings or people who came down to her most.
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One of them was the people from Vancouver.
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A huge group came from Vancouver.
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And then the last two years haven't seen much of them just because of all travel restrictions and everything.
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Come play volleyball for a week and then spend 14 days alone in a hotel room due to it.
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Brandon Joyner:
It's called commitment.
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Mark Burik:
Right.
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Mark Burik:
And then the group from San Francisco, who has just been great to us, good people just keep meeting friends.
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So much fun just to find friends out of this, people who you didn't know were in the world.
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But as soon as you meet them, it's like, man, if we had been born within the same mile, we would have been best friends for sure.
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Mark Burik:
But now we just get to scatter them around the globe, which is always special, I think.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
And it's cool.
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Brandon Joyner:
We had a mission.
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Brandon Joyner:
I think it's been your mission the whole time.
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Brandon Joyner:
And it's been a mission since we started better at beach but get 1 million people better at beach volleyball.
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We're probably pretty close to that.
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But I've kind of realized that it's so much more than that now.
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It's the community aspect.
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The welcoming people to the sport and family of beach volleyball is what we're doing.
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And it feels like that and it's so rewarding.
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Brandon Joyner:
So if you're interested in us coming to your area, if you want us to come run a clinic in your spot, I know we have a couple coming up.
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We're in Salt Lake City next month.
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We're in Ozark.
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After that, we're possibly going up to New York, Alabama.
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Mark Burik:
And so it's starting to grow in Ohio.
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Brandon Joyner:
Sorry, I forget about that.
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Brandon Joyner:
And so if you want us to come to your area, we'd love to add you to our friend list and our family.
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Brandon Joyner:
So definitely get in touch with us.
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Mark Burik:
And we've got a couple of new designs on our shirts or that we put up last week.
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So if you guys are looking for some fun volleyball shirts, we got some cool new designs.
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One of them that I don't know if I made famous, but I definitely made phones.
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The over you call anytime spiking hitting over somebody.
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It's probably the most disrespectful thing you can do in beach volleyball, which I absolutely love, other than like an underserved directly to somebody.
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Right.
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And I will say it in the midst of getting blocked.
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And I have and it's a good call, but we made a fun graphic out of it.
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Mark Burik:
So if you guys want to check out some of our apparel or any of the shirts like we're currently wearing, you guys can buy that betteratbeach.com/shop and you can check on the click on the apparel section there.
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And I'll bring it to our whole list of swag.
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That's a little free commercial.
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Mark Burik:
We usually wait to the middle.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Mark Burik:
Let's talk dumb rules.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
One of the rules that I truly do think is slowing down the progression in a lot of areas, and that has to do with the double hand contact on setting.
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Brandon Joyner:
I think one of the biggest dumb rules that I've heard at any tournament that I've ever played in was I'll see someone get called for a double, they'll ask why, and then the referee will say something about, oh, it spun more than two rotations.
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Brandon Joyner:
If I hear that you're just opening yourself up for me to try to make you sound dumb.
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Brandon Joyner:
And it's hard because as the levels get lower, they tend to use that idea of that rule harder.
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Mark Burik:
Oh, yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
So it's like in open level tournaments, you'll see hands are called looser than in a B level tournament or whatever ranking system you have.
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Brandon Joyner:
And it's just something that has to be talked about because sets are not called based on spent.
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Brandon Joyner:
Probably the most fought after calls is when you're a handsetter and you get called for a double.
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Brandon Joyner:
And then you turn to the rep and say, why was it a double? And there's a list of things that they'll say, but the rotation rule, that's something we've got to get away from.
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Mark Burik:
So spin can be but is not necessarily an indicator of a double.
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Mark Burik:
Can be, but not necessarily so that means that you can't use it as an argument for why it was double.
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Because if I throw a ball.
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Right, if I throw a ball under hand and bowling it and it hits a wall, it is going to spin out of that, it's going to spin off of that one bounce, then hit the wall twice and it's still spinning.
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Mark Burik:
So just by the characteristic of that, you can't say that spin means double.
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It can be an indicator.
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All right.
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But you need to see the hand conduct.
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So if you're looking at the ball after the set, and that's how you're starting to determine whether it's a double or not.
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You've already failed as a referee, whether you're a player, referee, or not.
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And trust me, guys, we are forgiving to all of the people out there, we know that in the very first volleyball tournament that you ever play in, you're required to referee, which is insane, but it's out as our sport is.
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So everybody can be more forgiving.
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But maybe this episode can just help point people in the right direction and at least get them started into doing it in a better way.
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Mark Burik:
So when you're looking for a double contact on a set, what you're looking for is, did the ball leave one hand before the other when you're looking at their hands.
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Mark Burik:
Right.
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Mark Burik:
Or did it hit one hand before the other when they set either of those double contact? Yes.
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In actuality, is everybody contacting the ball at the exact same moment in time? No.
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But there has to be two clear hits or two clear contexts when you're talking about setting goals for him.
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And the key to that.
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And JM talks about this a lot during or camps.
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I think he's good at talking about that.
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He says that your eyes should be focused on the center and their hands and not the ball when you're making this play.
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And the problem is that most people, fans or otherwise, will follow the ball with their eyes naturally, even when we're doing demonstrations of how your body should look when you hit people see how high you bounce the ball.
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Mark Burik:
This is why we have theater coaches to stop trying to balance everything, to show off in demos.
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Mark Burik:
But it's look at the body.
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Mark Burik:
So when you're talking about double contact, look at the body, make sure that it's not a double context.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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And a lot of times referees, and especially right now, if you're a pro refer, you do your thing.
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You know, you've studied.
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I'm not going to take away from your job at all.
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I think a lot of professional referees, you get an earful at pretty much every tournament you work.
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I know that you're studying the game and you're calling the games the way you think you should.
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But when we as players have to ref ourselves, a lot of times I don't want to implement myself when I'm not needed.
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I want the players to decide who wins and loses that game.
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So if you're watching the setter and you can't tell if it went in one hand first or out one hand first, then don't say anything.
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Don't say, I think it was a double.
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No.
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Brandon Joyner:
The answer it looked like it went into your right hand before your left, or it looks like you left your left hand before your right.
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Brandon Joyner:
That's how you have that conversation with a player that says, Why was that a double? But if you say, because I thought so, then that's you implementing yourself into a game that you're not really a part of and you're changing the score based on your feelings.
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Brandon Joyner:
No, it has to be justified.
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You have to be able to look at that person's hands and be able to say, okay, it touched this hand before that hand.
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And if you don't know, even if it comes out spinny, you just say, his hands were quick.
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It looked like it went in both and left at the same time.
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It was my judgment call to not make a call.
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Brandon Joyner:
So I think that's where we have to start off.
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Mark Burik:
Yeah, good calling doubles and we talk about these rules and we say, hey, you got to implement the same rules across the board.
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Mark Burik:
The idea that you said where it gets stricter, the lower the level you get, which is insane, but the truth in our sport, why not, why aren't organizers and leagues and everything like this, why aren't at the A and B levels? So the intermediate or low intermediate levels, why are they still calling doubles? We know that as a sport it prevents people from even attempting a skill that makes volleyball really cool and really fun.
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Mark Burik:
But people will play literally for 30 years and say, I don't handset.
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Mark Burik:
Like, can you imagine a basketball player for 30 years being like, I don't rebound, I'm not a doubler.
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Brandon Joyner:
But why always get called for a double,
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Mark Burik:
Right. It prevents people from progressing, and it prevents completely, it prevents the sport from progressing because when you have people, seniors, adults who kids are looking up to, and this 40 year old adult can't give you any advice on setting other than don't do it.
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Mark Burik:
That's like when we talk about business and finances, like somebody who attempted to make one business once and failed just telling the rest of the world, don't start a business, you're going to lose everything.
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We would never have any advancements.
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We would never have any programming going forward or any progression.
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And when the adults are telling us, the kids like, well, you don't have to or I don't just because it hurts them or they lost some points.
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The rest of our sport.
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And if you're talking about like countries or federations, your Federation suffers greatly because people aren't picking up this skill.
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Mark Burik:
That is basically requirements at the high level now.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, something that I like that we do at our camps that especially afternoon of the first day, we introduce handsetting.
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We make every single person at our camp focused on hand setting.
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They have to try.
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It's not an if they have to do it.
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Brandon Joyner:
And then for the rest of camp, when we're doing tournaments, when we're doing live play, whatever we're doing, we make it very well known that you are not allowed to call somebody else's hands.
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Brandon Joyner:
And I think that that's something that's really important.
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Brandon Joyner:
And it's great for the growth because even within the four days after we teach handsetting, the amount of progress that we see at a week long camp with people that are hand setting is tremendous.
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Brandon Joyner:
It's unreal.
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Brandon Joyner:
All we've done is we've eliminated this idea, this phobia, this fear of them losing a point based on something they're trying and I think if we could treat leagues, you know, tournaments, I think it's tough.
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Brandon Joyner:
But I do think I'm right there with you where I think there is a certain level where it shouldn't be called.
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Brandon Joyner:
And I do see it some places, but there are some places, especially in California, they're very strict, and it does slow down the progress a lot.
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Brandon Joyner:
And there are a lot of very athletic people out there that if they just learned how to hand that they could take over the sport.
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Brandon Joyner:
But the phobia and the fear, I mean, I was an indoor setter for ten years, and when I first moved to the beach, it took me three years to start hand setting, just because most of the time I was just scared to lose points.
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Brandon Joyner:
I didn't want to get knocked out of a tournament because of something I was doing.
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Brandon Joyner:
But when I first moved to California, I remember I went to a practice with Evie Matthews, and I was handsetting in triangle.
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Brandon Joyner:
And then we got the gameplay and I started bump setting.
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And he told me that if I ever hand set at one of his practices again or if I ever bump set at one of his practices again, I wasn't allowed to come back.
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Brandon Joyner:
And whenever he said that, I realized that it was worth more than the calls that I was going to get against me, it was worth kind of going for it.
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And we should do that every time.
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And maybe this is one of those things that a fortune favors.
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The bold, right.
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When you see open level players who are hand setting, maybe those are the ones who are willing to risk losing those points more.
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Maybe they're more like not risk averse, but they're friendly with risk.
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I forget that word for it.
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But to say that you're okay willing to lose points early so that you can progress later.
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So maybe they got to the open level because they were willing to take those risks.
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But it's preventing or holding people down when they aren't going to attempt it.
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We'll see where that goes.
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Mark Burik:
But maybe as a director, maybe you do have different rules for your double A or your advanced and your open level, and you have different, like, at least double rules for setting.
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When somebody's attempting setting, think about spirit of the rule.
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Mark Burik:
Maybe that should be eased up for the lower rules, especially because you're having people who have only played volleyball for a month refereeing in those tournaments.
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Mark Burik:
So why are you going to require those people to learn how to ref at a higher level than they can even play?
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah. Couldn't agree more.
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Mark Burik:
Okay, while we're on setting, let's talk about the first and second touch.
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Mark Burik:
Brandon, can you receive the first ball with your open hands? Can you set the first ball?
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Brandon Joyner:
Yes. The answer is yes, unless you're playing in a CBVA.
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Brandon Joyner:
No.
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So CBVA has ruled.
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I haven't studied the rule book.
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Brandon Joyner:
Meticulously, that's a word.
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Brandon Joyner:
But yes, but the rule for AVPs, for FIVBs, for most local organizations, USA Volleyball, is that you are allowed to open hand serve-receive.
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Brandon Joyner:
But it's no different than a set.
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It just has to be clean.
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Mark Burik:
But Brandon, what about a freeball?
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Brandon Joyner:
Same thing just has to be clean. And the thing that bothers me with this is that a lot of people will say, oh, they're more strict if it's the first contact.
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Brandon Joyner:
And that's something that we have to get rid of as well, is that you can't change the rules based on when the contact is happening, whether it's the first, 2nd or third touch.
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Brandon Joyner:
The thing that you are judging is, is it a double contact that doesn't change whether it's the first contact or the second contact.
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Brandon Joyner:
So however you're going to judge, we just spent five to seven minutes not judging it on spin, judging it for a specific reason.
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Brandon Joyner:
That is the same exact judging you should use on the first contact or the third contact.
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The only thing that I will say about the third contact is that if you are purposely putting the ball over the net keyword purposely, then you have to be square to where you are facing or to where you are sending the ball.
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Brandon Joyner:
So if I'm setting the ball over the net, my shoulders need to be in line with where I am sending that ball.
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It doesn't matter if I'm backwards.
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If I'm setting the ball backwards, it still has to be straight over my shoulders, where my shoulders would be.
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Brandon Joyner:
If I had two laser beams pointing out from my shoulders, that ball would have to go into that location.
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Mark Burik:
Yeah.
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In front of you or behind you.
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Mark Burik:
Just to clarify.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
In front or behind you can't set off your shoulder or like if you watch indoor volleyball a lot and you see these set, a lot of times we see it in the women's game where the setter will take the ball, it's not a dump where they're throwing the ball over on the other side of the net with one hand.
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Sometimes you'll see players that will take it with both hands and they'll just set the ball to their side.
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That is an illegal play in beach volleyball.
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But as long as you are facing where you're sending the ball over or your back is facing directly where that ball is going to go over it, then it's okay.
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Mark Burik:
And before all those people say, see, I told you, hang on, listen to the next part of the rule.
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Mark Burik:
Intention is key, because if you try to set your partner, say it's your second touch, you're trying to set your partner, but the wind, your lack of accuracy Seagull would be an interference, but the wind can take the ball over the net.
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And in that case, since you are attempting to set your partner, it is legal.
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If it goes over the net no matter if you're square or not.
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If you are attempting to set your partner, it's okay to send it over the net.
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And this is one of those cases in beach volleyball where the referee, they have to judge your intent.
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And usually it's pretty clear there should be a blocker waiting right in front of the header.
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And if you're going to send a slow high ball right at a blocker, you kind of deserve to lose that point anyway.
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They should take advantage of that.
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But you'll be able to see and everybody gets all fixated on it.
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I could hide my intention.
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I could just argue that it wasn't.
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Everybody knows if you're attempting to set them up and if you're not, we say like the advancement of this rule.
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Mark Burik:
Well, okay, let's say that I'm attempting to set my partner, but you have this crazy designed play where like you're on the right sideline and your hitter is in the middle of the court and you shoot a ball past them and you try to send it over the net.
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So they fake swing and miss it on purpose.
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Like a crazy design trick play.
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Is that intentionally setting it over or not? I don't think that's been really discussed at high level rep meetings.
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Mark Burik:
I would love to sit in and hear that because maybe that's going to become one of those crazy plays that we start to see happening, like a fake swing into a set over.
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Mark Burik:
I honestly think it would be super effective,
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Brandon Joyner:
That would definitely be something. Especially with the height that some of these players are playing at right now.
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Brandon Joyner:
But I think a really good answer is we just had a comment from Jacob that says how do you determine that if you are trying to set tight? You answered it in your question.
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Brandon Joyner:
You are trying to set tight.
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You are not trying to set over.
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Brandon Joyner:
Okay, so that you answered the question, if you're trying to set tight and it happens to go over the net, you were trying to set tight.
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Brandon Joyner:
You were trying to set the ball over the net.
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Mark Burik:
Okay.
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Mark Burik:
And third touch.
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Mark Burik:
We already said if you're sending it over, you have to be square up to where you're sending it.
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Mark Burik:
That should cover everything except just for the Lifts.
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Mark Burik:
The number one question that we get for Lift, and I posted on my Instagram a little while ago, too.
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If you want to follow me at Mark Burik.
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Mark Burik:
Burik not burrick.
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Mark Burik:
Now, if you are holding the ball, people ask how long can I hold it before it's a lift? If the ball comes to a visible stop and you can determine that the person has caught it, a slow, long trampoline is pretty different than a catch or a stop.
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Mark Burik:
So yeah, again, this is one of those judgment calls.
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Did the person catch it? And there's no amount of time we can't give you seconds that's just not reasonable.
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Mark Burik:
So you just have to say, did the ball come to stop? Did the person control it and catch it, or did they just have a long flowy touch and you can set from your chest, you can set from your ribs.
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Mark Burik:
But it would be unreasonable to say that when the context started above your head, then you brought the ball all the way down under your rib, then you pushed it up.
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You're in contact with that ball for a really long time.
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So that is probably, well, almost definitely going to be a lift.
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But if I start my hands, like at my nipples and I just go up forward and I set, just because I caught up below my chin doesn't mean that that's a lift.
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It's not a lift because I'm still going forward.
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I'm not in control of the ball.
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It's when I grab the ball from a certain distance, then I pull it down and then I push it up.
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Mark Burik:
And some people, yes, their hands are in contact with the ball for a long time, but are their elbows dropping? It's kind of one of the keys to knowing if it's a catch or like a soft rebound.
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Mark Burik:
Are my elbows actually dropping in space, or is it just kind of my forearms that drop? The forearm can drop a little bit.
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Mark Burik:
They are trying on the world tour to make setting a little bit quicker, a little bit less catchy, but there's still some room for rebound.
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There's no amount of time before you can call lift.
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It's just you just can't hold it and catch it.
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Mark Burik:
And different referees might see that in a different way.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
The first thing that came to mind, and we happen to be talking about this video last on the drive up to San Francisco.
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But we have a video on YouTube called Seven Deadly Sins of handsetting.
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And a lot of those sins have to do with your ability to break your wrists.
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And so if you're holding your hands up and they're straight above your head, kind of like you're performing a field goal, right.
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Like someone made a field goal.
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And then you push your hands forward so that they're facing away from your face, then people have this ability to bend their wrists and let their hands fall like their thumbs almost fall below the wrist point.
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Brandon Joyner:
If you do not have the ability to do that, then that's when the catch starts to happen a little bit more.
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There's one specific portion in our Seven Deadly Sins of handsetting video called Stone Hands.
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And I think that this style of setting is where most people who get called on lists get called for lifting because stone hands.
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What that means is that there's not a break in the wrist.
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You're literally catching that ball.
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Your hands don't move at all.
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And then you're just using an elbow bend and extension to make that set.
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A lot of people are really good at doing this without making spin.
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And because a lot of people call doubles based on spin or they call lists based on spin, it doesn't get called a lot.
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Brandon Joyner:
So I think that that's a really good video for you guys to reference, especially if you have a lot of questions on what's a good handset, what's a bad handset, what are some things that you're probably doing wrong? So if you just go on our YouTube channel and search for seven deadly sins of hand setting better at beach, it should be the first one that pops up and it's one of our favorite videos.
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Brandon Joyner:
It's something that we had a lot of fun shooting.
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Goofy.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, exactly.
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Mark Burik:
And if you guys really want to dive in, we have an at home setting course now.
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We give you drills and responsibilities for 30 days.
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It might not take you that long because some of the people in our camps, like you said, by the end of camp they're hand setters just because they're trying it and they're doing it for 5 hours a day.
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For this course, all it is.
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It's about 20 minutes of handsetting drills, specific handsetting drills and footwork drills every day.
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And all of the videos are included there.
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So if you want to check that out, it's betteratbeach.com.
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How to set a
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volleyball.
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Mark Burik:
If you want to take that as a recorded course, you can take all those drills and all of the written stuff and the reps and sets that you need.
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They're pre recorded.
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And we show you how.
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If you want to dive a lot deeper and have us coach you twice a week so that you can actually post all of your setting videos and then we coach you and make adjustments for you, then you would go to betteratbeach.com/coaching
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Mark Burik:
and you would sign up for our coaching membership where it's a one year program for 97 where we get to work twice a week, which is pretty insane if you want to check those out.
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betteratbeach.com to set a volleyball.
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Brandon Joyner:
I would also argue that this might be our best product we have between this and 68 Max vertical.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, those are the two that were coming to mind for me as well.
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Brandon Joyner:
But as far as progression in the sport and seeing a big improvement quickly, the videos that I've seen from day one to day 30 in this course are unbelievable.
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Just getting the practice and the understanding of what you should feel like and look like while you're making this set.
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We have one person that comes to our women's classes in Hermosa and literally within four weeks of her doing this setting course, she was handsetting Britney almost full time in our practices, whereas before she wasn't even thinking about it.
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And now she is a full time handsetter with phenomenal hands.
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And I don't even think she started taking that class a year ago.
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So if you're looking for a quick progression, the value is certainly there.
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Mark Burik:
Sure.
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Okay.
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Mark Burik:
So let's talk about do your hands has to be together when you do this overhand contact, right.
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Doubles on first balls.
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So there are a few scenarios that we see this in.
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Sometimes people will serve receive, they'll dig a ball and they'll pass it, boom, it will go off their hands and right into their head.
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And somebody might call a double and say, well, it hits two different body parts or somebody will try to kind of Tomahawk, but their hands will be apart.
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So they'll throw like a double axe handle at it or their two hands will slap the ball if it's in one motion.
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Guys, that is legal if it's on the first contact.
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So if it's your serve received, if you literally accidentally or on purpose pass a free ball into your own forehead off of your hands.
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If it happened in one motion, in other words, you didn't pass it and then go and hit it, then it's legal.
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You're allowed to have a double contact if it's in one continuous athletic motion.
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Might not look so athletic, but one continuous motion, you're allowed to double contact them.
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If your hands are apart, even if it's a slow moving freeball and you don't try to use your finger pads or use a setting motion, you don't use finger action, then it is legal as long as there's a little rebound effect there.
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And again, we have a lot of California people listening.
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CBVA might have different rules.
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And if you guys want to fact check our CBVA rules, go for it.
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But as far as USA Volleyball and AVP and FIVB, that's perfectly fine.
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Your hands do not have to be together.
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Brandon Joyner:
I think that that answer is perfect just because we're an education-based podcast company.
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Brandon Joyner:
If a ball is coming, yes, you are allowed to take these balls open and you're allowed to simultaneous contact as long as it's one motion.
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Brandon Joyner:
I heard you say a couple of times and when you finish that, I was still reading some of the comments on the side got sidetracked, but I'm seeing a couple of comments in here about taking the first ball with open hand receive.
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Just keep in mind that does have to be a clean set.
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There are certain instances where you should put your hands together and make a Tomahawk.
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If you came and watched Mark and I at practice, if we get a free ball to us, not a whole lot are we taking that ball as a set.
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We're performing a Tomahawk of pokey because those are touches that you 100% know are never going to be called.
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Brandon Joyner:
So I just wanted to kind of hop back on and say, while you do need to know the rules, you also need to understand when you should be performing these specific contacts.
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Brandon Joyner:
So that's kind of one of them, especially when we're thinking about overhand contacts within serve-receive or easy free balls.
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Mark Burik:
And we got one of those caveat questions from Vibranium Felix on YouTube, and he said, wait a second, I thought you just said that the handset has to be clean if it's on the first contact.
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Mark Burik:
If you're using finger action, like if you're waving to somebody or squeezing your palms or doing spirit fingers or setting, if you're using finger action, then it's got to be clean.
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Mark Burik:
It's got to be a clean set.
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Mark Burik:
But if you're not using finger action so your finger stays stiff and rigid, imagine both of your hands become Ping pong paddles.
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Mark Burik:
Nice.
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Brandon Joyner:
I like that.
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Brandon Joyner:
I think I heard one of our coaches say that last week.
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Mark Burik:
Then that's fine because you're not utilizing your finger action, then the setting rules don't apply on that first touch.
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Mark Burik:
If we go with a second touch, though, and you set a ball into your forehead like you bump set it Rick shades off your hands and then your head, then it is a double same thing for attacking.
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Mark Burik:
If you like spike the ball off of your own head somehow and make it go in, or you spike the ball off of your other hand, which would be a cool move for a highlight channel.
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Mark Burik:
It's not legal volleyball, but the first ball over to receive free balls attacks, you're allowed to double contact it no matter what.
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Mark Burik:
If you're not using finger action.
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Mark Burik:
Right? And it's one motion.
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Brandon Joyner:
I like it.
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Brandon Joyner:
It looks good.
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Brandon Joyner:
I did call it out here.
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Brandon Joyner:
This is a great episode, these comments that you guys are sending and the answers are great and I love it.
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Brandon Joyner:
Volleyball Highlights I just saw you guys say this.
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Brandon Joyner:
Explain eleven.
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Brandon Joyner:
Does a blocking contact count as one of the three legal contacts? Your answer? No.
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Brandon Joyner:
I don't know when at any point during this episode, we said that that does not count as a contact.
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Mark Burik:
He might be taking our quiz.
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Brandon Joyner:
Okay, got you.
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Mark Burik:
Number 11th.
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Brandon Joyner:
Okay, that makes sense.
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Brandon Joyner:
Okay, so volleyball highlights.
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Brandon Joyner:
I will clear that up right now.
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Brandon Joyner:
If the block touches the ball.
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Brandon Joyner:
And this is a good rule for us to talk about because I think a lot of people, especially coming from indoor and indoor volleyball, when the block touches the ball so the hitter hits the ball off the blocker, then they still have three touches to make that play to get the ball back over the net.
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Brandon Joyner:
And Beach Volleyball that has changed where the first touch off of the block does count towards your three contacts.
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Brandon Joyner:
But there are some interesting points to that because if the blocker is above the height of the net and they are making a blocking play, then they are allowed to also touch that second ball, which means that their partner would be responsible for the third contact going over the net.
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Brandon Joyner:
Volleyball Highlights If that was something that we had on our quiz, thank you for finding that.
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Brandon Joyner:
I appreciate you kind of filling us in.
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Mark Burik:
Yeah, he was answering it probably from an indoor perspective.
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Mark Burik:
And our volleyball rules quiz is specifically for beach volleyball.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
So it's only beach volleyball.
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Brandon Joyner:
So whenever we're talking about it, the blocking touch in beach volleyball does count as the first contact.
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Brandon Joyner:
So the contact after that would be considered the set.
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Brandon Joyner:
And then finally your partner or depending on how that touch order went, you would only have two more touches after the block touch to get that ball onto the other side of the court.
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Mark Burik:
And we got an answer from our good friend Joe Lambert, who's talking about walking distance.
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Mark Burik:
So let's get to that right after one of the other common ones.
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Mark Burik:
Okay.
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Mark Burik:
The common one is our open hand slap.
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Mark Burik:
When some people dig the ball under hand, open hand.
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Mark Burik:
Is this legal? Because there are a lot of leagues, a lot of even high level tournaments that I've heard internationally where when you hit this ball, when you pop it from underneath, it's called a lift, and it 100% is not if the ball has a bounce or rebound effect.
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Mark Burik:
If the ball stops in your hands and then you guide it up, that is different than you hitting it because imagine you're using the exact same contact.
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Mark Burik:
If you just flip your hand over and you spike it, that's just an underhand spike.
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Mark Burik:
So I think a lot of people confuse this and they confuse it because of this.
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Mark Burik:
As if you're saying give me money to somebody or say income here, using that finger action where that ball rolls off or just trying to use finger action, then it gets lifted.
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Mark Burik:
Then you can call that as illegal.
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Mark Burik:
But if you pop a ball with your open hand, whether it's over your head, outside of your body or from underneath, like when you're diving and digging a cut shot, that is legal so long as there is a rebound effect.
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Mark Burik:
And people everybody stop calling that unless you see them throw it up or make that kind of give me money or come to your action with their sisters,
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Brandon Joyner:
I relate it a lot to like a layup in basketball, how it kind of starts the ball starts at your palm and then it rolls off of your fingers. So it's like a fingertip layup or a roll.
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Brandon Joyner:
I don't even know act like I know what I'm talking about when I'm talking about basketball.
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Mark Burik:
But finger roll.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, finger roll.
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Brandon Joyner:
There you go.
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Brandon Joyner:
So whenever somebody's doing that kind of layout, that would be a lift.
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Brandon Joyner:
But if it's just we're going back to those Ping pong paddles and you're just slapping up that ball and there's a big pop and the rebound is there and it's quick, doesn't sit in your hand or roll on your hand at any point.
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Brandon Joyner:
Completely good
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Mark Burik:
Guys, if you're still listening and you're interested, just before you go or you're midway through the episode, we developed two rules quiz, and we really want your feedback on them.
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Mark Burik:
We would love for you to take them.
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Mark Burik:
We used language that volleyball players would use.
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Mark Burik:
So it's not very hardcore technical language that referees and judges would use.
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Mark Burik:
We asked the questions to the quiz as if you were just two girls talking and hanging out on the beach and discussing the rules.
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Mark Burik:
So if you want to check out all those questions, we have one question.
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Mark Burik:
That's one quiz that's about 15 questions and I think the other might be 20 to 25 questions.
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Mark Burik:
you'll be able to find just two quick quizzes and you get your answers graded and sent to you in an email.
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Mark Burik:
And then it also puts you as part of our email list where you'll get all of our announcements for camps, clinics, swag sales, and of course, we send everybody free lessons in your inbox every week.
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Mark Burik:
So at the end of that quiz, you just make sure you click on that subscribe to Marketing emails.
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Mark Burik:
There's no way to change that because not all of our emails are marketing.
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Mark Burik:
95% of our emails are just education based.
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Mark Burik:
So you guys go ahead and betteratbeach.
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Mark Burik:
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Mark Burik:
You can take about 45 questions of commonly discussed rules arguments so that you're prepared to rest or argue with rest at your next run.
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Brandon Joyner:
Just don't be mean, don't be the bully.
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Brandon Joyner:
I was that when I was coming up and I still get a little aggressive, but it's on my New Year's resolutions.
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Mark Burik:
Yeah, we all have our new site.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, for sure.
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Mark Burik:
So blocking is there a distance from the net where a block touches? No longer a block, according to the rulebook, there is not the only distance that the rulebook says is near the net.
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Mark Burik:
So it leaves it very much up to interpretation.
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Mark Burik:
And a blocking action is attempting to stop a ball coming into your playing zone.
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Mark Burik:
It's preventing the ball from coming into your playing zone.
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Mark Burik:
So some people like you'll see Ricardo does this a lot.
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Mark Burik:
Avery Drost used to do it a lot.
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Mark Burik:
Brandy Wilkerson on the women's side, we've seen her blockballs from nearly like half court, which is getting pretty borderline, but according to school, is that near.
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Mark Burik:
Now it's up to the rack so you can step away from the map, jump and try to SWAT at a ball and it will be counted as a block.
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Mark Burik:
It needs to look like a blocking action so you can't jump and set it or you can't fake it back behind your head through a 360 Windmill dunk or anything like that.
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Mark Burik:
You still need to be actively trying to throw it back into their court, but there's no specific distance.
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Mark Burik:
And one of the other funny rules that we get is like when you do step off like that, sometimes you go you step off the net and you try to reach really high to SWAT a block and then somebody will spike down and they'll hit like maybe your stomach or something that actually counts as a block touch, meaning you can then play it again if the ball hits you.
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Mark Burik:
So if any part of your body, any part of your body is above the net during a blocking action and you get hit in any part of your body, it's a block contact, meaning you can then play it.
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Mark Burik:
So if I somehow jumped the block and I'm maybe three or 4ft away from the guy and he hits it so steep that it hits my foot, that's a block touch, which is kind of one of those rare rules that doesn't happen frequently at all.
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Mark Burik:
But if some part of my body, any part of my body is above the plane of the net and I'm somehow trying to prevent the ball from coming over here, then it's a block touch, and I can play that second ball.
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Mark Burik:
It's rare, but it's a fun one to know.
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Mark Burik:
And it happened, I think, in German, one of the German tours, they threw it on their Instagram and everybody was raging.
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Brandon Joyner:
I remember was that when one of the tournaments that like Walking horse was commentating on,
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Mark Burik:
I can't wait to get Walking horse on here. Yeah, he's so much fun.
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Brandon Joyner:
He's hilarious.
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Brandon Joyner:
He did a great job with that.
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Brandon Joyner:
And so another blocking rule.
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Brandon Joyner:
While we're talking about the first contact being the first touch of the play, the only time that doesn't happen is if it's a joust.
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Brandon Joyner:
And what a joust is is when, let's say Mark is on the other side of the net.
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Brandon Joyner:
I'm blocking Mark when he's hitting.
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Brandon Joyner:
Sometimes the sets drift tight and it gets to a point where we can touch the ball at the same time whenever there's a simultaneous contact with the attacker and the blocker.
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Brandon Joyner:
That is called a joust, and it doesn't take away a touch from the blocking side.
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Brandon Joyner:
So if there is a joust and Mark pushes the ball onto my side of the court and he wins the joust, then my team would still have three touches.
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Brandon Joyner:
So I could pass that ball up in the air.
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Brandon Joyner:
My partner could set me, and then I could attack, but it has to be a joust or the contact has to be at the same time with the attacker and the blocker.
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Mark Burik:
And there are those of you out there that a lot of people, myself included, will intentionally lose joust in order to give themselves a free ball.
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Mark Burik:
I remember playing Phil on center court, and he's massive, right? And I'm like, I'm going up and jousting a tight ball.
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Mark Burik:
And I start pushing it, and I feel his hands wrapped around the ball.
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Mark Burik:
And as I push away, he actually tosses the ball back to Nick, and he kind of threw his hands and he said that he lost the joust, but somehow it ended up in a perfect lofty free ball back to Nick and he did it so deeply that I was just like in that moment before I landed, I was like, did you just take that and toss it back tonight? And of course, he didn't get called for it, but when he did that, I was like, this is just another level when somebody has that sense to joust.
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Mark Burik:
And yeah, he loses.
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Mark Burik:
But actually because he's helped so high and he's got so much control that he wraps his hands around the ball and he gives it back to his partner and they get three more touches.
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Mark Burik:
That's just 69 for an inch vertical unfair.
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Brandon Joyner:
And just seeing the game in slow motion, that's impressive.
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Brandon Joyner:
That is a situation where the game has slowed down for you so much that you can think of doing that in a point, that's incredible.
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Mark Burik:
We got a question saying our T shirts rock.
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Mark Burik:
We went over that already.
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00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:52,614
Mark Burik:
Yet at the beginning of the podcast, we said, go to betteratbeach.com/shop and you can get the T shirts and the hats.
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Mark Burik:
Not the hats, but D caps and some Fanny packs and everything.
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Mark Burik:
We got a few cool design, some pillows, pillows on there still.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, maybe it's my favorite.
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Brandon Joyner:
Got a couple great decor.
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Mark Burik:
We have any time for any last commonly argued rules? I think what needs to be discussed is coming under the net.
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Mark Burik:
The under the net rule, guys.
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Mark Burik:
There is contact.
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Mark Burik:
There's always contact under the net.
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Mark Burik:
And every single player thinks that it wasn't them.
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Mark Burik:
You came under, it couldn't have been me.
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Mark Burik:
That's everybody's default argument.
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Mark Burik:
You came under.
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Mark Burik:
And the referees here are trained USA volleyball FIVB.
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Mark Burik:
They're trained to say, was this a significant safety issue? And then players say, well, yeah, I felt unsafe.
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Mark Burik:
Everybody's got their borderline of like what they consider safe.
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Mark Burik:
You could feel me dust the hairs on your leg and go, dude, I've got bad knees.
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Mark Burik:
You're going to snap my knees in half and they'll try to call it on you.
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Mark Burik:
There is so much contact under the net in beach volleyball.
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Mark Burik:
There's a lot.
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Mark Burik:
But does it prevent first of all, is it a huge safety issue where somebody's like, it was reckless of the player to go for that ball and their body is flying recklessly? And does that interfere with or stop the person from making their next play on the ball? Sometimes there's a loose lawyer where it might interfere, but it doesn't necessarily stop them because you could argue, hey, he touched me and that freaked me out.
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Mark Burik:
So I wasn't ready to make the next play on the ball.
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Mark Burik:
And yeah, maybe that should be a rule, but there's no line that we have like an indoor you're allowed to come under.
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Mark Burik:
It's just that you're coming under in a way that's so unsafe.
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Mark Burik:
And do you contact that player so that they're physically unable to make their next play on the ball or you deter them in such a way that it's significantly harder.
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Mark Burik:
That's when the call is made.
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Mark Burik:
But if you just nudge each other under the net, stop crying and play on, right? And then just say, hey, let's both be careful.
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Mark Burik:
And if you really are concerned for your needs and your safety and you don't jump because you see someone flying at me, great, okay, lose the point.
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Mark Burik:
But keep your knees.
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Mark Burik:
I wouldn't back away from the net when you start seeing that happen and then have a talk with them and have a talk with the rest and be like, this guy's out of control.
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Mark Burik:
We can't play like this, but at some point, volleyball players almost have to take the charge to get that call.
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Mark Burik:
And most people are focused on winning the play instead of taking that charge.
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Mark Burik:
And so more often than not, this play is not called at the highest level.
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Mark Burik:
If it becomes a crazy safety issue again, where people are flying under the net and spearing you and drop kicking you in the shins, then you need to stop the reptile and director, and they should be called on that.
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Mark Burik:
But if you're both going for the ball, you're already near the net and you just kind of like cross toes or somebody lands on somebody's foot, that's going to happen.
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Mark Burik:
That's part for the course.
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Mark Burik:
Keep playing.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
And I used to get a little offended by this because I used to think like, oh, my gosh, this attacker doesn't care about me at all.
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Brandon Joyner:
But I had a change of thought.
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Brandon Joyner:
Actually, it's been quite recent where it's more of just a drive for that person to try to keep the ball in play and win the point.
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Brandon Joyner:
So sometimes people do their feet come under the net a little bit too much, especially in a competitive environment.
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Brandon Joyner:
If you're at practice, be safe.
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Brandon Joyner:
Don't be that person that jumps and lands under the net.
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Brandon Joyner:
It's like one of my biggest pet peeves.
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Brandon Joyner:
But if you're in a tournament, just realize that the other team's competing just as hard as you are and that conversation can happen.
504
00:51:01,130 --> 00:51:08,074
Brandon Joyner:
You can say, hey, RF, I'm feeling very unsafe when this person's jumping and landing and putting me in harm.
505
00:51:08,182 --> 00:51:17,060
Brandon Joyner:
And then once you say that that player here's that I guarantee you that things start happening differently and you'll start to win some points that you should.
506
00:51:17,630 --> 00:51:26,926
Mark Burik:
Don't make it one of those every single time arguments and a big deal, a big blow up where everybody's like, now you're arguing instead of practicing or playing volleyball.
507
00:51:27,118 --> 00:51:29,482
Mark Burik:
There's going to be contact on the net.
508
00:51:29,626 --> 00:51:33,030
Mark Burik:
Somebody's going to step on somebody's toes, somebody's going to rub shins.
509
00:51:33,350 --> 00:51:34,890
Mark Burik:
Just go and get the ball.
510
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:38,840
Mark Burik:
Players to stop babies about it.
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00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:45,094
Mark Burik:
All right.
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00:51:45,192 --> 00:51:45,840
Mark Burik:
Somebody.
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00:51:48,610 --> 00:51:52,840
Brandon Joyner:
Oh, man, I was about as baby as they come in football, though.
514
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:56,440
Brandon Joyner:
God, did I get hit a lot? I hated it.
515
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:59,010
Brandon Joyner:
It was rough.
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00:51:59,130 --> 00:52:06,242
Mark Burik:
I think we might be able to cover some more because we do get a lot of questions, guys, if you do have questions, more of these.
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00:52:06,316 --> 00:52:09,482
Mark Burik:
We have a great Facebook group.
518
00:52:09,616 --> 00:52:11,274
Mark Burik:
It's called Volley Chat.
519
00:52:11,442 --> 00:52:13,950
Mark Burik:
Get better at beach volleyball.
520
00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:17,046
Mark Burik:
Or if you want the URL, it's
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Mark Burik:
betteratbeach.com/groups/betteratbeach
522
00:52:21,306 --> 00:52:26,886
Mark Burik:
And we have a number of literally world class referees.
523
00:52:27,018 --> 00:52:34,370
Mark Burik:
We're in their tirelessly answering the same questions over and over and over again.
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00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:50,174
Mark Burik:
So if you do have a question, scroll through, search that Facebook group Volley Chat at better at beach volleyball, search that Facebook group in the search bar and just search rules and you'll see all of the posts that have all of the rules popped up.
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00:52:50,332 --> 00:52:52,442
Mark Burik:
We got Darren Grimsey in there.
526
00:52:52,636 --> 00:52:55,850
Mark Burik:
We got David Vander Meer, Susan Laurie.
527
00:52:57,910 --> 00:53:01,790
Mark Burik:
I'm probably missing Sooty from New Zealand.
528
00:53:02,170 --> 00:53:10,034
Mark Burik:
These are all world tour referees and directors of referee education and AVP reps, and they're answering all those questions.
529
00:53:10,132 --> 00:53:13,562
Mark Burik:
So if you guys do have questions and we'll do the parts, too on this.
530
00:53:13,636 --> 00:53:21,746
Mark Burik:
But if you do have questions for the Facebook group, hang out with us because a lot of people also discuss technique and strategy and kind of ongoing in that Facebook group.
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00:53:21,868 --> 00:53:23,702
Mark Burik:
So if you have a question, go there.
532
00:53:23,776 --> 00:53:25,240
Mark Burik:
Don't ask it right away.
533
00:53:25,570 --> 00:53:26,990
Mark Burik:
Search for it first.
534
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,506
Mark Burik:
And then if you don't find your answer, you can go there.
535
00:53:30,568 --> 00:53:40,298
Mark Burik:
And if you want to take this quiz because we made it for you, we spent a few days building this quiz to test you and see if you guys like that way of doing things.
536
00:53:40,444 --> 00:53:41,406
Mark Burik:
It's.
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00:53:41,478 --> 00:53:44,450
betteratbeach.comrules/quiz.
538
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:51,678
Mark Burik:
All right, guys, if you're interested in ever coming to a clinic or hosting us for a clinic, we just went up to San Francisco.
539
00:53:51,714 --> 00:53:57,470
Mark Burik:
We had 69 players just based on one organization group of friends.
540
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,070
Mark Burik:
You don't need a club.
541
00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:00,822
Mark Burik:
You need at least twelve players.
542
00:54:00,906 --> 00:54:08,030
Mark Burik:
If you got twelve players, we can send you one of us or one of our coaches to train you for a full day, seven and a half hours.
543
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,914
Mark Burik:
You get shirts, you get wristbands, you get lanyards.
544
00:54:11,082 --> 00:54:13,182
Mark Burik:
We cover a lot of volleyball.
545
00:54:13,266 --> 00:54:21,338
Mark Burik:
So if you have a group of friends, twelve people and a beach volleyball court that you can control or that you have permits for, then we can be there.
546
00:54:21,424 --> 00:54:24,530
Mark Burik:
If you have a facility, we can come to your facility.
547
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:32,438
Mark Burik:
If you have a club, we would love to come and start working with some clubs, but we have upcoming clinics that you can sign up for.
548
00:54:32,524 --> 00:54:46,866
Mark Burik:
Coming up in Salt Lake City, Ozark, Ozark, Missouri, I believe, Huntsville, Alabama, long Island, Grand Sands in Ohio, which is loved in Ohio, outside of Cincinnati.
549
00:54:47,058 --> 00:54:52,026
Mark Burik:
We have a private event coming up in Santa Monica, but all of these can be found at
550
00:54:52,098 --> 00:54:53,274
Mark Burik:
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00:54:53,322 --> 00:54:56,550
Mark Burik:
And if you do want to bring us out, go to
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00:54:56,610 --> 00:55:00,962
Mark Burik:
betteratbeach.com/clinics, fill out one of those forms and we'll get in touch and we'll see what we can do.
553
00:55:00,976 --> 00:55:02,426
Mark Burik:
And maybe we can hang out for a week.
554
00:55:02,488 --> 00:55:02,966
Brandon Joyner:
Love it.
555
00:55:03,028 --> 00:55:03,880
Brandon Joyner:
They're fun.
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00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:06,674
Mark Burik:
All right.
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00:55:06,772 --> 00:55:11,762
Mark Burik:
We'll list the resources in the show notes as they're coming up.
558
00:55:11,896 --> 00:55:22,394
Mark Burik:
Make sure that you subscribe to us on YouTube, Podcast, Apple Podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify and come and join our email list.
559
00:55:22,552 --> 00:55:27,062
Mark Burik:
You can find a number of resources free resources at betteratbeach.com.
560
00:55:27,196 --> 00:55:29,018
Mark Burik:
So hope you guys enjoyed the show.
561
00:55:29,104 --> 00:55:31,670
Mark Burik:
We are going to start with our audience.
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00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:38,502
Mark Burik:
All right.
563
00:55:38,636 --> 00:55:42,330
Mark Burik:
Question, are you all related? No.
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00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:44,240
Brandon Joyner:
Kind of maybe.
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00:55:47,250 --> 00:55:48,326
Brandon Joyner:
No, not related.
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00:55:48,398 --> 00:55:54,120
Brandon Joyner:
Just best pals that have known each other for over 15 years.
567
00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:57,480
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
568
00:55:59,190 --> 00:56:00,660
Brandon Joyner:
All right, Mark.
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00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:21,134
Mark Burik:
High School Beach is the open hand serve receive or open and first touch defense role is the first team contact with finger action should be judged as any setting contact, the referee should call a double hit if the player uses a finger action and the ball is clearly doubled.
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00:56:21,242 --> 00:56:22,214
Mark Burik:
Exception.
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00:56:22,382 --> 00:56:30,060
Mark Burik:
If the ball contact was in defense of a hard driven attack, then the referee should allow play to continue.
572
00:56:30,690 --> 00:56:35,606
Mark Burik:
Hard driven is judged by the speed and trajectory.
573
00:56:35,678 --> 00:56:38,590
Mark Burik:
The referee must judge the player's action.
574
00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:43,862
Mark Burik:
Reactive double is allowed or intentional.
575
00:56:44,006 --> 00:56:49,930
Mark Burik:
In other words, that I have time to choose which skill I was going to use.
576
00:56:49,980 --> 00:56:51,662
Mark Burik:
Then you can call a double consult.
577
00:56:51,746 --> 00:56:58,130
Mark Burik:
The question is, is this rule clear enough for you? For the defense? Our League is trying to switch to allow serve receive setting.
578
00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:04,214
Mark Burik:
Is it legal to receive? Long question.
579
00:57:04,312 --> 00:57:17,874
Mark Burik:
Third part here is what does strict mean? How do we draw the line for high school level or beginners? You draw the line by letting them play, let them play and start uninvolving the rest or be involved in the referees.
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00:57:17,922 --> 00:57:22,782
Mark Burik:
So there's less pressure on a 14 year old girl to blow her whistle.
581
00:57:22,926 --> 00:57:23,414
Mark Burik:
Right.
582
00:57:23,512 --> 00:57:33,318
Mark Burik:
And just keep saying if it's like medium, if it may be kind of arc, maybe a little bit soft, put the whistle away and play ball.
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00:57:33,474 --> 00:57:42,306
Mark Burik:
We would rather see a bump set spike play than the play get killed by a referee who is trying to blow that whistle.
584
00:57:42,438 --> 00:57:48,242
Mark Burik:
So if you're going to default somewhere, default and letting them play more.
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00:57:48,376 --> 00:57:48,710
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:54,954
Brandon Joyner:
And Mark, the only thing that I don't like about the wording of all this is the word strict.
587
00:57:55,062 --> 00:57:59,140
Brandon Joyner:
But strict hand setting judgment must be applied to the contact.
588
00:57:59,470 --> 00:58:00,820
Brandon Joyner:
No, it's just.
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00:58:02,590 --> 00:58:05,774
Brandon Joyner:
But handsetting judgment must be applied to the contact.
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00:58:05,872 --> 00:58:06,530
Brandon Joyner:
That's it.
591
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,438
Brandon Joyner:
When we use that word strict, that strict is a fearful word.
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00:58:11,584 --> 00:58:12,326
Brandon Joyner:
Right.
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00:58:12,508 --> 00:58:15,170
Brandon Joyner:
I'm going to be very strict about this assignment.
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00:58:15,850 --> 00:58:17,222
Brandon Joyner:
That's something you're like? Oh, man.
595
00:58:17,296 --> 00:58:19,022
Brandon Joyner:
I need to try a little bit harder on this.
596
00:58:19,096 --> 00:58:20,610
Brandon Joyner:
No, it's still a handset.
597
00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:25,806
Brandon Joyner:
I think if we just get rid of that word strict, it makes everything a lot less tense.
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00:58:25,998 --> 00:58:26,378
Mark Burik:
All right.
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00:58:34,550 --> 00:58:35,374
Mark Burik:
Capella.
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00:58:35,482 --> 00:58:36,078
Brandon Joyner:
I like it.
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00:58:36,104 --> 00:58:38,250
Brandon Joyner:
Mark, I appreciate your apology.
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00:58:39,290 --> 00:58:39,762
Brandon Joyner:
Thank you.
603
00:58:39,776 --> 00:58:43,374
Brandon Joyner:
I got called on double so many times when I started playing, I had said this.
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00:58:43,472 --> 00:58:44,120
Brandon Joyner:
Cool.
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00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:45,466
Brandon Joyner:
Here you go, Jeff.
606
00:58:45,598 --> 00:58:53,218
Brandon Joyner:
Why does a sport that have pretty established history have rule changes so often? Hand setting used to really be a skill.
607
00:58:53,314 --> 00:58:56,794
Brandon Joyner:
Now we are opening it up to everyone to just Chuck the ball.
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00:58:56,962 --> 00:58:58,006
Brandon Joyner:
I disagree.
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00:58:58,138 --> 00:59:18,860
Brandon Joyner:
For basketball, I guess my answer is, how many three pointers did Shaq shoot?
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Mark Burik:
Maybe you got to realize in every sport every year, look at the extra point in football that changed by what, ten yards just a couple of years ago. There are constant rule adjustments that are attempting to make it slightly easier to ref.
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00:59:27,992 --> 00:59:34,110
Mark Burik:
And most importantly, I think what they pay attention to is the fan engagement.
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00:59:35,090 --> 00:59:37,638
Mark Burik:
Are the fans able to enjoy this.
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00:59:37,724 --> 00:59:43,858
Mark Burik:
And when we have these super tight handsetting, those fans get really confused.
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00:59:44,014 --> 00:59:51,798
Mark Burik:
And like when my wife, who's been watching me play for seven years, goes, what happened after a whistle blows? That's a problem.
615
00:59:51,884 --> 00:59:54,200
Mark Burik:
She's been watching me play for seven years.
616
00:59:55,310 --> 01:00:01,222
Mark Burik:
So something has to change that doesn't confuse those people.
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01:00:01,296 --> 01:00:16,030
Mark Burik:
And to answer your question, as far as an established history, every sport is constantly evolving with their rules that they have to implement every single sport.
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01:00:16,890 --> 01:00:31,582
Mark Burik:
So just take that as for what it is and that people are trying to make the sport more engaging, better for fans, and they recognize that once players know the rules, they get really good at them.
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01:00:31,716 --> 01:00:35,566
Mark Burik:
And then there might be some ways, too.
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01:00:35,748 --> 01:00:42,180
Mark Burik:
Once the base of a skill is now at a higher level, all of a sudden now we have to maybe change it.
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01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:43,500
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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01:00:44,190 --> 01:00:54,734
Brandon Joyner:
I would say most rules that have been changed, there's always one change per cycle of rule changes that kind of causes a little bit of controversy.
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01:00:54,782 --> 01:00:59,770
Brandon Joyner:
But I would say most of them are in line with where the sport needs to be heading.
624
01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:06,178
Brandon Joyner:
And the one thing about federations when they make these rule changes is that if it doesn't work, they just go back.
625
01:01:06,324 --> 01:01:13,442
Brandon Joyner:
I remember a couple of years ago they were debating making the rule change from the first touch in a block, not counting.
626
01:01:13,526 --> 01:01:21,958
Brandon Joyner:
I remember we did a whole off season where all of a sudden now the block touch didn't count as a touch, and it really threw a lot of people off and it was kind of interesting.
627
01:01:22,044 --> 01:01:26,078
Brandon Joyner:
And then now we're back to that new rule or to the old style.
628
01:01:26,114 --> 01:01:29,542
Brandon Joyner:
But I think it's a really good idea to kind of look at things.
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01:01:29,676 --> 01:01:31,154
Brandon Joyner:
Athletes are evolving daily.
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01:01:31,202 --> 01:01:32,558
Brandon Joyner:
People are getting more athletic.
631
01:01:32,654 --> 01:01:34,980
Brandon Joyner:
You're able to do things, you're able to play longer.
632
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:38,278
Brandon Joyner:
So the rules have to kind of be looked at as well.
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01:01:38,424 --> 01:01:42,780
Brandon Joyner:
You need to take clips out of these and make a separate channel to post.
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01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:45,240
Mark Burik:
I think we will.
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01:01:46,050 --> 01:01:47,074
Mark Burik:
It's an interesting point.
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01:01:47,112 --> 01:01:50,198
Mark Burik:
I like that we do what's called Nuggets.
637
01:01:50,294 --> 01:02:01,030
Mark Burik:
So after this, our Editors go in and they dive into each individual kind of chapter within our hours, and then they post them individually on Facebook as well as our Instagram.
638
01:02:01,350 --> 01:02:12,710
Mark Burik:
If you're ever on our Instagram, mine is Mark Burik and Brandon yours is joy_beachvb and we have better at beach volleyball as an Instagram.
639
01:02:12,770 --> 01:02:18,338
Mark Burik:
If you look at those, all you got to do is save and share any posts that we have about rules.
640
01:02:18,374 --> 01:02:28,658
Mark Burik:
Go ahead and cycle through our real and you will see a lot of these questions answered in tiny 1 minute Nuggets, but also on YouTube.
641
01:02:28,694 --> 01:02:32,774
Mark Burik:
We're going to be uploading larger segments, which are we call them like knowledge Nuggets.
642
01:02:32,822 --> 01:02:38,434
Mark Burik:
So we'll break this episode into like four to eight minute answers and then break them down.
643
01:02:38,472 --> 01:02:43,560
Mark Burik:
But there might be a one month lag from the feeling of that.
644
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:49,658
Brandon Joyner:
We already have a decent amount of YouTube videos explaining especially handsetting rules.
645
01:02:49,754 --> 01:02:52,080
Brandon Joyner:
I know for sure you've done one on that.
646
01:02:52,770 --> 01:02:55,586
Brandon Joyner:
I believe the digging contacts.
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01:02:55,778 --> 01:02:57,418
Brandon Joyner:
You've already done one on those as well.
648
01:02:57,444 --> 01:03:02,854
Brandon Joyner:
So if you search on YouTube about rules, you'll be able to find those there as well.
649
01:03:02,952 --> 01:03:14,470
Brandon Joyner:
If you're looking for examples, I think Tanya does a good job of putting in some Broll of players doing the correct style of play based on the rule.
650
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:17,746
Mark Burik:
Let's get to Vibranium Felix question.
651
01:03:17,808 --> 01:03:39,490
Mark Burik:
Why are sets called differently indoors than outdoors, more emphasis on call doubles and less lifts? Personally, I think due to the evolution of the indoor game moving faster than the beach game, I think they realized that they want to see just more athletic, fast, hard hitting things.
652
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:44,678
Mark Burik:
And the more that they blow the whistle and confuse the fans, the worse it is for the sport.
653
01:03:44,774 --> 01:03:54,720
Mark Burik:
I think that's why they've allowed a lot of spins with volleyball, while they recognize that it's a high powered game and they're going to move fast.
654
01:03:55,230 --> 01:03:57,060
Mark Burik:
So beach is coming.
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01:03:57,750 --> 01:04:00,298
Mark Burik:
It's definitely on the way that indoor was.
656
01:04:00,384 --> 01:04:07,560
Mark Burik:
Now we're running spread sets and options and combo offenses, but it's not fun to watch whistles to see whistles get well.
657
01:04:08,670 --> 01:04:12,430
Brandon Joyner:
I also think in indoor settings easier.
658
01:04:15,730 --> 01:04:21,962
Brandon Joyner:
You're not having to deal with elements, you're not having to deal with wind, you're not having to deal with sand where you're uneven whenever you're moving.
659
01:04:22,036 --> 01:04:22,610
Brandon Joyner:
Most of the time.
660
01:04:22,660 --> 01:04:31,720
Brandon Joyner:
If you're a good athletic setter, then you are putting yourself into a position where your body can always do a pretty decent set.
661
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:38,022
Brandon Joyner:
But I think in indoor they might have gotten rid of double calls.
662
01:04:38,106 --> 01:04:39,522
Brandon Joyner:
It seems like it recently.
663
01:04:39,606 --> 01:04:42,158
Brandon Joyner:
No, I'm not 100% sure.
664
01:04:42,184 --> 01:04:46,600
Brandon Joyner:
Don't quote me on it, but I think that was one of the big rule changes moving forward.
665
01:04:46,930 --> 01:04:53,320
Brandon Joyner:
I think I'll look it up and a lot of it has to do with what Mark said.
666
01:04:54,910 --> 01:05:07,394
Brandon Joyner:
It's more about the speed, and indoor is just so fast that these sets are coming out with some spin, but most of the time it still looks like it's a simultaneous contact with hands.
667
01:05:07,552 --> 01:05:16,254
Brandon Joyner:
They're not cradling this ball as much as beach setters have to because of the elements and just the style of the sport.
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01:05:16,302 --> 01:05:29,200
Mark Burik:
It's advantageous to do that because once you slow the ball down, the blockers can get an easier read on you for indoor and everybody knows who you're setting in beach, right? Yes, true.
669
01:05:31,090 --> 01:05:35,966
Mark Burik:
I picked up beach volleyball since moving to Santa Monica soccer my whole life, but I've enjoyed sports so much.
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01:05:36,028 --> 01:05:38,538
Mark Burik:
Videos have been helping me out with the rules and tips.
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01:05:38,634 --> 01:05:39,966
Mark Burik:
Thank you, Ernesto.
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01:05:40,038 --> 01:05:41,740
Mark Burik:
Thank you for tuning in.
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01:05:43,090 --> 01:05:53,306
Mark Burik:
What are the best stretches to prevent injuries, Ernesto? So number one, if you want to go through a full mobility program, sign up for our foundation program.
674
01:05:53,368 --> 01:05:58,106
Mark Burik:
It's a seven day mobility program that is focused on injury prevention and developing the space.
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01:05:58,228 --> 01:06:13,274
Mark Burik:
Go to betteratbeach.com/foundation that will give you seven days of glue activation, shoulder health series, a few bonuses included, and mobility session every single day.
676
01:06:13,312 --> 01:06:22,130
Mark Burik:
So betteratbeach.com/foundation that will give you all of your answers for best stretches to prevent injuries,
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01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:27,066
Brandon Joyner:
I'm moving up to David Cook. All the tournaments I've played have used the spin rule and no sets on serve-receive.
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01:06:27,078 --> 01:06:31,060
Brandon Joyner:
See what should I do on these? Say no, you're wrong or just go with it.
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01:06:31,510 --> 01:06:45,542
Brandon Joyner:
While we have our opinions on what rules should be established, we are using USA Volleyball rules and the tournament and tours that we currently play on that are at the top level in the US.
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01:06:45,616 --> 01:06:56,238
Brandon Joyner:
And we hope that organizations across the US and smaller cities, localities, wherever you are, are using those same rules.
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01:06:56,274 --> 01:07:05,466
Brandon Joyner:
But at the end of the day, it's the option of the organizer to create their own rules.
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01:07:05,598 --> 01:07:13,094
Brandon Joyner:
If they want to say that we're going to judge sets by spin and unfortunately that's something you have to deal with.
683
01:07:13,132 --> 01:07:15,254
Brandon Joyner:
I think it's something you can bring up with them.
684
01:07:15,412 --> 01:07:21,710
Brandon Joyner:
If they have their own established rulebook with these rules written in it, then obviously you have to follow those rules.
685
01:07:22,090 --> 01:07:46,086
Brandon Joyner:
Don't say, oh, but better at Beach said this, I think it's a good conversation to have with the organizer and say what do we think about evolving these rules to match the organizations that are at the top in the US? But I know, like the CBVA, they have very strong feelings and ties to the older the way that the game used to be played.
686
01:07:46,158 --> 01:07:47,786
Brandon Joyner:
So they have kept those rules around.
687
01:07:47,848 --> 01:07:51,546
Brandon Joyner:
I know Pottstown Rumble still uses side out rules.
688
01:07:51,678 --> 01:07:54,462
Mark Burik:
They say court old school rules.
689
01:07:54,486 --> 01:07:54,710
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
690
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,020
Brandon Joyner:
But it says old school.
691
01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:57,400
Mark Burik:
Okay.
692
01:07:58,570 --> 01:07:58,970
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
693
01:07:59,020 --> 01:08:10,694
Brandon Joyner:
So definitely if you're playing in a local tournament somewhere, make sure you look at their rulebook first, see what laws and calls they're going to be making.
694
01:08:10,792 --> 01:08:15,974
Mark Burik:
And I would encourage every tournament director, the coordinator out there.
695
01:08:16,072 --> 01:08:24,798
Mark Burik:
If you don't have your rule book set, go with the rule book that you want, which is it could be USA Volleyball.
696
01:08:24,834 --> 01:08:31,778
Mark Burik:
If you want to use CBVA it's okay AVP FIVB and say here are the rules and you should include that.
697
01:08:31,804 --> 01:08:36,410
Mark Burik:
I mean, it's so easy to include a downloadable PDF in every email.
698
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:44,558
Mark Burik:
Just set that automatically to go out for your tournament announcement or tournament information.
699
01:08:44,704 --> 01:08:47,066
Mark Burik:
Emails that everyone always has access.
700
01:08:47,188 --> 01:08:49,758
Mark Burik:
And I think that'll make everybody's lives a little bit easier.
701
01:08:49,854 --> 01:09:02,918
Mark Burik:
But if you're a term organizer or director and you don't at least have a link to the rules somewhere on your website or a PDF included somehow in those emails, why not help the players out with them? Read, educate them.
702
01:09:03,064 --> 01:09:07,370
Brandon Joyner:
We already answered Joe's one, we already answered volleyball highlights.
703
01:09:07,810 --> 01:09:09,880
Brandon Joyner:
Vibranium got another one.
704
01:09:10,510 --> 01:09:13,634
Brandon Joyner:
One more quick question about finger action having to be clean.
705
01:09:13,732 --> 01:09:20,394
Brandon Joyner:
If you one hand set it and it isn't clean, is that legal? It's a throw.
706
01:09:20,562 --> 01:09:21,110
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
707
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:31,674
Brandon Joyner:
If there's finger action and it's a setting contact and you're kind of a lot of indoor setters do this with like a one handed set that's not going to be allowed on the sand.
708
01:09:31,722 --> 01:09:36,818
Mark Burik:
It doesn't necessarily make sense according to all of the other rules, but that's how it's called.
709
01:09:36,844 --> 01:09:38,450
Mark Burik:
It's called as they throw a lift.
710
01:09:39,730 --> 01:09:46,274
Brandon Joyner:
If you are put into that position, I would go back to that Ping pong paddle slap it or you can poke it.
711
01:09:46,432 --> 01:09:51,350
Brandon Joyner:
The famous Hudson Bates one hand pokey sets will always live in my memory.
712
01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:55,674
Mark Burik:
Mark sand is sending our rules quizzes to all their players.
713
01:09:55,722 --> 01:09:56,402
Mark Burik:
That's cool.
714
01:09:56,536 --> 01:09:58,120
Mark Burik:
That's why we built it.
715
01:09:59,650 --> 01:10:02,202
Mark Burik:
Eric Falko is going to be at our Salt Lake City clinic.
716
01:10:02,226 --> 01:10:07,526
Mark Burik:
I can't wait to see Eric's intent to set rule written with the help of overseas due to wind.
717
01:10:07,588 --> 01:10:12,074
Mark Burik:
Probably it might have been with healthy wins, but it's just spirit of the game.
718
01:10:12,172 --> 01:10:14,874
Mark Burik:
You don't want to call the whistle.
719
01:10:14,922 --> 01:10:35,262
Mark Burik:
You want to let people play it out and let the players finish it instead of the records finish it or rule technicalities? What about playing a ball that is passed out of bounds on the other side of the net? Can I go under and play it and bring it back? Take our rules quiz and you'll get the answer to that because me and Brandon have to go practice.
720
01:10:35,406 --> 01:10:36,362
Brandon Joyner:
Oh, yeah, we do.
721
01:10:36,436 --> 01:10:37,142
Brandon Joyner:
Okay.
722
01:10:37,336 --> 01:10:38,834
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, that is out there.
723
01:10:38,872 --> 01:10:40,046
Brandon Joyner:
That is a really fun one.
724
01:10:40,108 --> 01:10:42,570
Mark Burik:
And it's on our rules quiz specifically.
725
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:43,446
Mark Burik:
So betteratbeach.com/rulesquiz.
727
01:10:44,982 --> 01:10:53,594
Mark Burik:
If you have any other questions or if you guys think that we should add some questions to those quizzes, definitely send them and we'll legitimately add them.
728
01:10:53,632 --> 01:10:55,718
Mark Burik:
And we'll be thankful to you guys.
729
01:10:55,804 --> 01:10:57,698
Mark Burik:
Thank you so much for joining us.
730
01:10:57,724 --> 01:10:58,202
Mark Burik:
We're going to head out.
731
01:10:58,216 --> 01:11:01,514
Mark Burik:
We're going to get Sandy and get in touch.
732
01:11:01,552 --> 01:11:11,162
Mark Burik:
DM, if you have any questions about our courses, clinics, camps, whatever, we're happy to hear you can fully email support at betteratbeach.com and our team will get right back to you.
733
01:11:11,296 --> 01:11:13,238
Brandon Joyner:
Thanks for all the questions and comments today, guys.
734
01:11:13,264 --> 01:11:13,898
Brandon Joyner:
That was fun.
735
01:11:13,984 --> 01:11:15,122
Brandon Joyner:
Appreciate you thanks for.
736
01:11:15,136 --> 01:11:16,722
Mark Burik:
Everything and Brandon.
737
01:11:16,866 --> 01:11:17,850
Brandon Joyner:
We'll see you on the sand.