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John Hyden:
One of my favorite quotes and I say this to all my players and everybody I do camps with is from Bruce Lee, absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is essentially your own.
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John Hyden:
I've done that from day one.
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John Hyden:
And I've talked to you about this, Mark.
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John Hyden:
I watched Stein when I first came on tour.
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John Hyden:
I'm watching Stein.
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I'm watching Todd Rogers, DAX Cart.
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I'm watching all these guys in the positions they play.
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And I kind of take a little bit from each of them over the years.
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Like I didn't have a pokey.
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Stein's pokey was amazing.
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So I put that in one year.
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The next year, I learned how to hand dig.
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The next year after that, I learned how to do something else.
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And it was like for the first five, six years, I always took something else and really worked on it that year.
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And it just added into my game.
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John Hyden:
And then I made everything else my own.
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Mark Burik:
Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Better At Beach Volleyball Podcast.
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Mark Burik:
My name is Mark Burik, of course, with my buddy Brandon Joyner.
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Mark Burik:
And today we have a special treat.
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Mark Burik:
Super excited.
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Mark Burik:
I'm actually in his house.
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He can hear me through the echoes.
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Mark Burik:
We're training with him all week here in Nashville at Hidden Beaches new facility, which you guys are going to learn all about.
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Mark Burik:
Two time Olympian, 49 years old and still crushing it.
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And now he's an entrepreneur and he's just been winning for a really long time.
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And he's an absolute beacon for everybody who wants to play at a high level, wants to be athletic at a high level and do it for a long time.
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Mark Burik:
So without further Ado, we're going to get into it.
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Mark Burik:
John Hyden, welcome and thank you.
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John Hyden:
Yeah, thanks, guys.
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John Hyden:
Thanks, everybody.
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Mark Burik:
So people are going to be pouring in here, but we're going to kind of fire right into some of the questions that I want to know, and then maybe some of the fans can jump in with their chat.
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Mark Burik:
So, guys, if you do have any John Hyden's specific questions, throw them in the chat.
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Mark Burik:
If you're on YouTube.
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If you are on our Facebook channel, go ahead and just start firing them into the chat and we'll see if we can answer at the end.
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Mark Burik:
John, you just moved I'm not going to say just, but a couple of years ago, you moved to Tennessee from Southern California.
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Mark Burik:
So I want to hear a lot about that because now you've started hyden beach.
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Mark Burik:
We just played.
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We just had a few practice days at it with six courts.
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It's right next to a big athletic complex.
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Mark Burik:
So tell me why you made the move from California to Tennessee first.
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Mark Burik:
That will be my first question.
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John Hyden:
Actually, there's a lot of reasons, but the main thing is it's expensive in California.
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John Hyden:
I lived in a condo for 17 years, and we had two kids and two bedrooms and they're getting to the age where they needed their own rooms.
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And we couldn't really afford a house anywhere in California at the time.
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So we started looking for a place that we could afford and a place our kids can kind of go out in the neighborhood on their own and play and come home late at night and stuff like that.
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John Hyden:
And we found it here in Franklin, Tennessee, which is awesome.
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Mark Burik:
What made you look in Tennessee? Did somebody invite you? Did you have an idea? Did Hyden Beach exist before your actual city, your destination existed?
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John Hyden:
No. So I started talking about leaving California, and we had a two year plan.
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We're going to leave before my daughter hit 7th grade.
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She was in fifth at the time.
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And a couple of our friends mentioned a couple of places here in Nashville, Spring Hill, Brentwood, Franklin.
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They were thinking about moving their business there.
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And so we just jumped on that train.
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We didn't really know where we wanted to go, but that was the first mention of something.
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John Hyden:
We decided to go take a look, came out here a couple of times.
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John Hyden:
And it's funny because if they moved and they were moving their business, we would have had a bunch of friends and family also moving, but that kind of fell through for them.
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John Hyden:
And we were like, well, we're on our way, we're going.
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John Hyden:
And so we came out here funny thing, my wife's best friend in La decided, well, if you're going, I'm going.
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John Hyden:
And she has a couple of kids and she actually got here about two weeks before us.
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John Hyden:
And so we ended up getting some friends out.
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John Hyden:
And then Robin's family slowly started moving out here.
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John Hyden:
So we got a nice little group out here now.
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Mark Burik:
Nice.
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Mark Burik:
You guys are the settlers of the east.
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Brandon Joyner:
It's a dream.
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Mark Burik:
Are you originally from California? Is that where you grew up?
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John Hyden:
Yeah, I was born in Pensacola. Six months later, I was in San Diego.
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John Hyden:
So I grew up in San Diego my whole life.
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Mark Burik:
And you played at San Diego State University for your indoor career, and then that transition into two indoor Olympics.
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Mark Burik:
So talking about making the transition, were you the type of kid that were you playing volleyball constantly in high school? Because I know for a lot of the country and you're probably experiencing this right now, but like in Tennessee, boys volleyball is just hard to find for a lot of people.
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Mark Burik:
Was that easy for you and going into San Diego State, which they don't have a men's program anymore, what was the transition like going from high school and then saying, yeah, I'm definitely going to play in College, or did it just kind of fall in your lap?
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John Hyden:
Well, I was planning on playing in College indoor volleyball and trying for the Olympic team. That was set a long time ago when I first started volleyball and following it.
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John Hyden:
So beach wasn't in my life.
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John Hyden:
Like I went to the beach being in San Diego, but I never really played growing up at all.
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John Hyden:
After I kind of had my indoor career playing the two Olympics.
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John Hyden:
I played overseas a couple of times, and then the whole plan was for Robin, my wife and I to move back, get married, moved to La and start playing on sand.
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John Hyden:
And so I basically started my sand career at 29.
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John Hyden:
I kind of followed Carch's path.
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John Hyden:
He played indoor upset.
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He grew up playing.
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John Hyden:
So I followed the two Olympics.
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Even though he metal did very well.
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He definitely has the accolades over me.
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John Hyden:
But then he went and played overseas indoor a couple of times, and then he came plaque and played beach.
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John Hyden:
And that's exactly what I did, just not with the top results he had.
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Mark Burik:
It's a tough shoes to fill or tough act to follow carts.
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Mark Burik:
But I'm sure there's a ton of people that are waiting, hoping that you'll coach them or somehow be able to lead the next generation into beach and maybe indoor.
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Mark Burik:
So I do kind of want to talk about what the future of height and beach is going to become.
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Mark Burik:
Are you going to just focus on your juniors Academy? Are you going to run camps and do you have opportunities for adults or kids to come learn from you?
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John Hyden:
Yeah, we have all sorts of programs here. The main thing is the juniors high school girls, even younger than that.
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John Hyden:
We try and get them in middle school, loving the game that way.
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John Hyden:
They're playing with us all the way up through high school.
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John Hyden:
Most of the girls are looking to play in College.
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John Hyden:
So we have like an elite style program for the girls, helping them out with College recruiting just getting better.
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John Hyden:
We run juniors tournaments and then on the adult side, we run a lot of adult tournaments, whether it be AA or BB, Coed, stuff like that.
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John Hyden:
But we have all sorts of training for adults, too.
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John Hyden:
My coaches are really good at it.
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John Hyden:
The actual community is really nice.
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John Hyden:
Everybody is super cool, but it's a small community.
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John Hyden:
So we're trying to build those adult leagues and adult clinics coming out.
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John Hyden:
We also run like high elite camps for girls that are kind of committed to College already.
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John Hyden:
So we put those together and we only take a select few.
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John Hyden:
We take twelve only because there's two coaches with us at those times.
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John Hyden:
Those all run.
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John Hyden:
We just ran one this weekend for 16 new elite girls, and I run them with a woman, Nicole Krishna. She's a coach of S three who kind of brought me on to help coach with her
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Mark Burik:
S three in the Atlanta Club, right?
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John Hyden:
Yeah, s three in Atlanta. So words out.
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And when we run these camps, they fill up fast.
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We get a waiting list, too.
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John Hyden:
But we only allow twelve girls, so that way we keep it low and they get plenty of time with us, plenty of one on one coaching, and we do a lot of video on that.
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John Hyden:
So we're starting to run more of those.
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John Hyden:
And we travel for those, too.
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John Hyden:
So we've run a couple of hidden beach and then we'll run them in Florida, just run them anywhere people are looking to get them run.
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John Hyden:
And then at our facility, we're also running more of those type things, not as only twelve players, but we're opening up to more girls to run kind of an elite style practices in camps.
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Mark Burik:
Well, maybe this is a question for your wife, but how would somebody sign up if they wanted to come to an elite camp or they wanted to try or apply? Would they just shoot an Instagram message to Hyden beach on Instagram? Or is there an email that they should specifically go to if they want to get training from you?
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John Hyden:
So, yes, that's a knock on me being technologically. Sure, I got that.
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John Hyden:
You can always go on Hydenbeach.com to look at our camps and clinics, the specialized ones, that when we're running kind of the elite camps, those are something we usually do word of mouth, and we'll put it out to the girls and then we always have to find a date that we can both work, Nicole and I, and then just put it out to most of the girls we know have been to these camps before.
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John Hyden:
There's a big group of them.
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John Hyden:
And then we get a lot of people asking us because we like to do it directly.
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John Hyden:
If we set up a link, then anybody can kind of sign up.
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John Hyden:
So it's more kind of word of mouth and keeping it more invite only type.
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John Hyden:
So if we've seen you or someone can vouch for you to get in into those elite camps, then by all means, we're going to take a look at you.
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Mark Burik:
That's awesome.
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Mark Burik:
You talk about getting somebody to the next level and they're already in D one or playing College ball.
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Mark Burik:
What do you think maybe the two most important things that separates a non committed or a non collegiate level junior from somebody who's going to do it? So what's the two characteristics that you think are the most important as a player or maybe even as a person that would get you to that elite level, the College level?
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John Hyden:
I think a lot of it is drive. Like these girls that are already committed, most of them that are already committed now understand that now is the time.
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John Hyden:
You have to work harder.
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You don't just get committed.
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And then, oh, I'm not showing up for practice because I've already made it.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Of these girls are like, now the work begins, which is great.
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They understand that a lot of people don't understand that.
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John Hyden:
When I play with Sean Scott years ago, we became the number one team on the AVP, and my mindset went to now.
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We're hunted.
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People want to come after us.
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Everybody is out to beat us now.
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We got to work harder.
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John Hyden:
So a lot of these young girls already have that mentality.
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They're not letting up.
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They're hitting the practice even harder.
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John Hyden:
They're hitting the big tournaments and not just laying off and taking it easy.
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John Hyden:
So drive is definitely a huge thing, having that commitment to want to be better.
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John Hyden:
The second thing is the coaching.
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John Hyden:
I've found there's not a lot of elite coaching around.
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John Hyden:
And unfortunately at these clubs or wherever you're playing is a lot of play during practice.
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John Hyden:
It's like 80% play and 20% drills that doesn't really do anything for anybody.
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John Hyden:
Like, how are you learning with 20 minutes of drills or whatever? So mine is exactly opposite.
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John Hyden:
I'm doing like an hour and a half hour and 40 minutes of drills and then we put it in and play at the end.
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John Hyden:
So I think it has a lot to do with the clubs and their style of coaching there.
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To get these girls to understand, you got to drill, drill, drill to get better.
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And when the girls come to my place, that's what they're getting.
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John Hyden:
I expect them to get better as we go and we don't just play the whole time because that's not how you're going to get better.
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Mark Burik:
I hear you say that.
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Mark Burik:
And then I also hear Stoklos and Dodd kind of ragging on us at some practices saying like, you guys show up for 2 hours back when they were playing, we would show up to the beach, six, seven, 8 hours play all day.
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Mark Burik:
And we were the real athletes.
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Mark Burik:
And you guys don't know what you're doing with your two hour set.
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Mark Burik:
How do you contest them or that notion of play?
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John Hyden:
I mean, it was great to have a $5 million Miller like contract all going to the players. Mark, you would want that right now, right? I'm ready.
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John Hyden:
Plenty of money to go around, plenty of sponsorship money to go around.
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John Hyden:
Guys are just way more athletic these days, and you got to train for that.
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John Hyden:
I mean, what was the biggest blocker back then? 65.
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John Hyden:
Like those guys never went against Phil or Mole or Ferbringer or all these guys that are 68 and huge.
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John Hyden:
It's a different game.
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John Hyden:
It's like the NBA is a different game than it was 30, 40 years ago.
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John Hyden:
Everything is evolving.
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John Hyden:
It's getting much more athletic, and guys understand that you're not going to get away with just playing these days.
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John Hyden:
So it's a different game and there's a few older guys that understand that and a lot of guys that don't.
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John Hyden:
And you're always going to find that through all the generations.
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John Hyden:
So kind of like the same old debate.
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Brandon Joyner:
I got a question to kind of go off that a little bit.
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Brandon Joyner:
I hear you talking a lot about girls and especially everywhere, even here in Hermosa, when we run our kids classes all of them are girls.
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Brandon Joyner:
On the East Coast, when I would run clinics and camps, it was mainly females.
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Brandon Joyner:
And I agree with you, girls are so driven.
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Brandon Joyner:
Whenever they want to learn something, doesn't matter what age they are, they're going to pick it up.
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Brandon Joyner:
Now it's easy because girls have something to strive for as far as the NCAA, where they can go play in College.
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Brandon Joyner:
But for the boys side, do you think that we're still an older crowd when you're looking at the guys breaking in, they're in the 24s, 25s and there's not that many of them.
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Brandon Joyner:
But on the girl side, it's starting to kind of overload a lot of the big tournaments.
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Do you think that that's something it'll just take time, or do you think that it's a mindset shift for males, or what do you think is holding back the male side? As far as the drive, as far as youngsters go,
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John Hyden:
now it's title nine, plain and simple, it's title nine. I mean, the guys don't have anything to look forward to going to College for, right? Maybe you have a couple of club teams and most of them probably in California, maybe Florida, but why would you play in high school sand volleyball to go on to College for what? There's nothing there.
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So it's always going to be a problem.
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As long as title nine is there, they're just not going to build it's.
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John Hyden:
Like Mark said, San Diego State, my men's indoor volleyball team doesn't even have a team anymore because it got acts from title nine
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Mark Burik:
just to pause it there. Just in case anybody doesn't know what title nine is for NCAA, title nine is the instituted that we have to have equal funding, equal amount of dollars for male and female sports.
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Mark Burik:
And so one of the major debate issues there is that there is American football and American football has 65, 55 scholarships, more than 85 scholarships and so on.
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Women's sports, there's nothing that kind of balances that out.
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So they have to add a lot more teams to add a lot more scholarships.
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And if your school wants to have a football team, it needs to have maybe four or five different women's sports with full scholarships and then some of the lower tiered sports like men's volleyball, like wrestling, sometimes hockey, they end up getting cut because of that, which is an unfortunate side effect of title nine, which not knocking title nine, but it still has to be revisited every time because we've created so many opportunities for women's sports and now we've blown up in women's sports and that's great.
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But something has to happen.
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And I played football for a year in College and was one of the beneficiaries of having available male sports.
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But something has to, in my opinion, has to change about that scenario.
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The fact that football is more of a religion than a sport in the US and that so many guys teams get cut.
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And for volleyball.
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Yeah.
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You have nothing to look forward to if you want to play indoor.
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There are 21, 22 schools that have four and a half scholarships per team.
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And a women's volleyball team has twelve full scholarships.
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And they have 250, maybe 300 schools that are offering all those full scholarships.
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So that's what Title nine is.
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It's the equal funding for male and female sports.
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For those of you who don't know.
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Mark Burik:
But sorry to interrupt them.
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John Hyden:
Yeah.
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There's just no women's sport.
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That there's no other sport but women's sport that has 90 players on it.
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Right.
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As a team like football does.
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So if you just kind of cut out football and make it its own thing, we would be okay.
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But I don't see them ever doing that.
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So again, with the boys side, it's unfortunate, but I don't ever see it growing like the women's side, which is great for our women.
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I mean, we have tons of good women's teams coming up.
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John Hyden:
I mean, we should be dominating the world pretty soon or being in lots of teams in the top ten.
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Mark Burik:
Yeah.
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Brandon Joyner:
If anything, it's showing that it works.
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Brandon Joyner:
Just giving them that College sport and how quickly I mean, the fact that I think Sarah and Kelly, this past Olympics were the youngest team to ever play in the Olympics and they were a couple of years out of College.
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Brandon Joyner:
Now they're getting beat by other College kids, which is crazy.
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Mark Burik:
Well, let's shift the conversation into it's not a rumor John Hyden has a beef with social media, doesn't love it.
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Mark Burik:
I really appreciate that you've come and that you're live streaming and that you're able to get the link.
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But my question is two.
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Part.
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Number one, what's your beef with social media? And number two, knowing that and knowing that people are trying to create brands of themselves before they win a tournament, what's happening? What do you think is wrong or needs to improve with today's up and coming athlete?
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John Hyden:
Okay, first of all, Mark's, creating this word beef with social media. I was like, who submitted this question? Let's get that straight.
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John Hyden:
Not necessarily beef.
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I'm old school.
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John Hyden:
A lot of the social media is I want to say.
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And it's not just this stuff like you do you produce content or they make produce content, stuff like that.
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But with social media, there's so much fake out there.
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And I do not like that.
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Having a young daughter, having a young son looking on social media, seeing everybody's happy and everybody's perfect, it just creates this fake world out there.
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And that I have a huge problem with.
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You never know what's real anymore.
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I mean, Mark, we were discussing the Oscars this morning.
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Was it real or is it because Hollywood is dying that they need to be talked about? Right.
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So that could go either way.
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John Hyden:
Who knows if it's fake or real? And that's half the stuff out there these days.
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John Hyden:
Another thing I find is in our sport and other sports, it's more important to have followers than be good.
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Putting in the hard work on the sand just isn't quite there as much as making sure you're filming everything.
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And that's me.
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Just like I said, I'm old school.
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Hard work pays off, and that's kind of what I'm all about.
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So that's not only that, but I'm an older player.
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John Hyden:
Technology came in after I was in my prime, so I'm just really not into it, and I have no desire to learn how to use it.
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John Hyden:
That's why my wife had to get me on with you today.
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Mark Burik:
She's great, one of the people we'll get into.
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But surrounding yourself with amazing people is one of the keys that I've heard her say.
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Mark Burik:
I've heard you say a few times.
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Mark Burik:
So this might not be a great question for all of our audience, but when there's such little prize money and you can only be top three or top four, and that's the only place that you can make a living, how does a young up and coming athlete or somebody who's finishing 17th to fifth in the country, how do they fund themselves, or should they fund themselves, or should they just ignore all financials and dive in as hard as they can to volleyball? That's a good question.
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John Hyden:
I mean, with the social media, you're able to find those funds sometimes people to help you out.
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John Hyden:
I mean, the go fund me type stuff.
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John Hyden:
I know they're doing a lot of it for the US players, trying to travel and stuff like that.
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John Hyden:
I think that's a great Avenue going back to too much and not training enough.
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It's two different things.
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Are you training hard enough? Are you doing what it takes to be in those top teams, or are you doing a little too much social media type stuff? I think there's a fine line there that you have to accommodate both.
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John Hyden:
For me, when I started out, I was in the same issue.
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A lot of guys and girls coach on the side.
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They're trying to find ways to train a lot more.
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And when the money is good, you find a ton of better players.
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John Hyden:
I mean, through 2005 to ten and a half, when the money was really good, guys were training a lot more and getting after it because there's more money out there for me.
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John Hyden:
When I first started, I started my own businesses just so I could train at my own time.
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It was like go to the beach and then get in the car.
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And already people are calling me.
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I have messages, I got to get home.
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I got to do paperwork.
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I got ready to do what I do.
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So I started my own businesses to do that.
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And a lot of guys got to go to work right after they train, or they can't train because they got to work and it's finding something that you can do.
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John Hyden:
If you want to make it, then you've got to put in the time and find something on the side to do, which isn't easy.
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John Hyden:
I mean, everybody's trying to do it, so it's not simple, especially these days with inflation and the cost of living.
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John Hyden:
It's incredible.
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Mark Burik:
And I know your first job or what you're doing while you're on tour in the business, do you want to share with everybody?
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John Hyden:
Well, I started with Christmas light installations, so I was doing that. I only did it for a year.
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John Hyden:
I created a business, and it was actually going to be really nice and lucrative, and I ran a crew, but I did all the selling, and then I ran the crew to put everything up, whereas my brother runs a business.
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John Hyden:
He actually started it.
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And you need two people.
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You need someone selling and somebody installing.
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John Hyden:
So when I did it, I was working non stop, but I was getting it done, but it made me not like Christmas.
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Mark Burik:
How dare you?
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John Hyden:
I love Christmas time. I love it.
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I found myself driving down the street and, oh, that tree is 300.
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That house would be about 500.
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And it's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
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So then I sold that business, and the next year, I did installing basically fake grass, synthetic turf.
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And so I did that for a year.
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John Hyden:
And during that year, I picked up a big sponsor and was able to sell that business and just concentrate on volleyball.
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John Hyden:
So I got really lucky there by picking up a big sponsor.
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Mark Burik:
Is that Rockstar?
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John Hyden:
no Jamba Juice Okay. Yeah, that's where Johnny Jamba came in from.
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Guitar.
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So I got lucky there.
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John Hyden:
I worked hard, and I was able to pick up that sponsor and then focus full time on volleyball from there on.
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Mark Burik:
At what point do you think that balance needs to shift for somebody? Like, how long should they be trying to improve before they say, you know what? Okay, I've given enough hours to volleyball and still haven't hit the results that I want.
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Mark Burik:
But how long should they say, okay, I've given 6 hours a day to volleyball and 4 hours a day to working.
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Mark Burik:
When do you think they should shift from six to four? Or is that even a question? Or you just say, do what you love?
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John Hyden:
I think do what you love. I mean, if you still want to compete and you still want to get after it and you're just waiting for that big break, I mean, we all need that big break.
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John Hyden:
It's like you're trying to upgrade partners is what you're trying to do.
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John Hyden:
I started off, and it was Chip McCaw.
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John Hyden:
He was my setter on the national team, and we started off playing.
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John Hyden:
I had no business traveling and playing Fivb.
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I didn't know anything about beach volleyball, but he drew me in and I did it.
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And then I realized I need a blocker.
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Like, we both split block, but we're both not very good at it, so I need a blocker.
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So I upgraded the next year to somebody who was bigger.
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And then after that, the next year, someone that knew a little more about volleyball, that was a blocker.
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John Hyden:
And it's like you're always trying to upgrade and get that chance, which is difficult.
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John Hyden:
People don't want to give you that chance because they barely know you or you don't have points.
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So it's really tough to break in.
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John Hyden:
And it took me five years.
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John Hyden:
It took me about four years to finally win a tournament.
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John Hyden:
Actually, my third or fourth year, Mike Lambert picked me up for the Chicago event, and I was done.
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John Hyden:
Andy Wit and I were playing, and we decided not to go to College.
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And back then I was young and, well, kind of young.
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John Hyden:
Okay, relatively young to where I am now, but I'm into two weeks of Donuts and beers, and Mike Lambert gives me a call and says, carches out his partner at the time, his last term of the year.
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John Hyden:
You're the only one I can pick up because everybody signed up.
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And I'm like, dude, man, I'm like, on beer and Donuts for two weeks.
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He's like, dude, you got to play.
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So I got down to the beach one time, and then I showed up in Chicago, and we lost in the finals in a three game match.
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John Hyden:
But people all of a sudden saw how I can play the game, which was great even on that little gut I had.
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John Hyden:
And that was a huge break for me be able to get Mike and showcase my skills.
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And then from there on, it was like, okay, this guy can play.
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John Hyden:
So I had a few more options.
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So that was a huge break.
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And not everybody gets somebody just dropping out, and you get lucky to pick up someone.
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John Hyden:
You play well, so you never know how it's going to happen, but you're always trying to play with someone better than you.
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Brandon Joyner:
I think we need to let it be known that that diet will not work for a lot of people.
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Brandon Joyner:
I've been trying it for the past six years, and I had to swear off the Donuts and beer.
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Mark Burik:
High protein Donuts.
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Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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Mark Burik:
Okay, so then we're talking about partners.
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Mark Burik:
Then you said you went through a number that you loved playing with but never got a chance to maybe show what you can do behind a high level guy and get it done.
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And then you did, and it opened it up.
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You've had a number of really fruitful relationships, partnerships, and then a couple that kind of fizzled out.
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So what do you think you specifically look for in a partner? What is the number one way that a player can market themselves to the volleyball market and say, look at me, I'm an eligible Bachelor, Bachelorette, and you should pick me up.
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Mark Burik:
What are the skills or the mindset that they should have?
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John Hyden:
I think they're going to be willing to learn and take criticism. I think that's a huge thing.
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John Hyden:
There's a couple, like, try.
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John Hyden:
When I picked up try, I didn't even know what it was.
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I got a text from this guy with Tri.
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I thought it was Tree like everybody else.
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He had the Hawaii connection with Sean Scott.
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And he's like, Sean, I'd like to do some training.
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John Hyden:
Can I get in with you guys? And Sean's like, oh, I'm retiring.
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Here's John's number.
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John Hyden:
So I get this thing from Tree, and I'm like, hey, Tree, I'm on my way down to Orange County.
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John Hyden:
We can get a practice in, blah, blah, blah.
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And so since Sean was gone, I didn't know who I was going to play with.
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John Hyden:
And Troy was super athletic when I saw him, but very raw.
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John Hyden:
I know he grew up playing the game, but there was a lot he had to learn.
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And after practice, even the first one, he's over there writing down everything he just did at practice.
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John Hyden:
And so I hadn't said, I'm going to play with you or anything.
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We just went to a practice, and I'm driving with my wife afterwards.
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John Hyden:
She was like, what do you think of that guy? And I'm sitting there going, he's as athletic as Sean Scott, plays like him, but just doesn't know.
352
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:58,570
John Hyden:
And so I caught up try again, and he was playing on playing with somebody else.
353
00:29:58,620 --> 00:30:00,910
John Hyden:
But I went down and had another practice with them.
354
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,046
John Hyden:
And after that practice, I was like, man, I think we can do something here with you.
355
00:30:06,108 --> 00:30:11,126
John Hyden:
And that's a big leap, because she hadn't really even played on tour.
356
00:30:11,198 --> 00:30:12,134
John Hyden:
He was super raw.
357
00:30:12,182 --> 00:30:15,466
John Hyden:
Nobody even knew him, but I could see that in him.
358
00:30:15,528 --> 00:30:24,334
John Hyden:
And the fact that he sat down after this practice and started writing stuff down, and then for the whole first year, that's what he was doing every day.
359
00:30:24,372 --> 00:30:26,650
John Hyden:
He would write stuff down after our practices.
360
00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:35,974
John Hyden:
Who doesn't want a guy like that? And just sitting there looking in your eyes the whole time going, okay, okay, let's work on yeah, I got this.
361
00:30:36,132 --> 00:30:39,826
John Hyden:
And so something like that is really hard to come by.
362
00:30:40,008 --> 00:30:41,414
John Hyden:
A lot of guys have big egos.
363
00:30:41,462 --> 00:30:47,820
John Hyden:
A lot of guys think they know it already or they're set in their ways, and that's kind of tough to deal with.
364
00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:53,974
John Hyden:
I'm probably one of those guys, but that's what I look for.
365
00:30:54,012 --> 00:30:58,774
John Hyden:
Someone who's athletic can always change their game.
366
00:30:58,932 --> 00:31:02,086
John Hyden:
If they're not that athletic, then they're kind of stuck in their own thing.
367
00:31:02,148 --> 00:31:04,630
John Hyden:
And Luckily, I have a new guy.
368
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,022
John Hyden:
I think you guys know him.
369
00:31:06,096 --> 00:31:07,022
John Hyden:
Logan Weber.
370
00:31:07,106 --> 00:31:08,700
Mark Burik:
He's been on a couple of times.
371
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:09,780
John Hyden:
Yeah.
372
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:17,100
John Hyden:
Who is athletic and makes great moves, and I'm Super stoked to have him and see what we can do.
373
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:18,910
Brandon Joyner:
I absolutely love that answer.
374
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:32,050
Brandon Joyner:
I think most of the time when that question gets asked, you expect something along the lines of skill, something, a good pass or a good setter side out.
375
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:39,890
Brandon Joyner:
But hopefully for everyone who's listening, that point alone, just the fact that he sat down after practice just to write down some notes.
376
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:41,890
Brandon Joyner:
That moment set up.
377
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,750
Brandon Joyner:
Like, now when we look at Try, he's getting the opportunity to play in the Olympics.
378
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:49,402
Brandon Joyner:
He's one of the top teams in the US.
379
00:31:49,596 --> 00:31:58,800
Brandon Joyner:
And if he doesn't sit down after practice and start writing down in his notebook what he learned that day, and you seeing that, who knows where his career goes? Yeah.
380
00:31:59,850 --> 00:32:01,380
Brandon Joyner:
I love that you said that.
381
00:32:01,770 --> 00:32:10,918
Brandon Joyner:
It's very cool to hear, and it kind of cements what Try means to the volleyball world as well, because he still does that.
382
00:32:11,004 --> 00:32:13,282
Brandon Joyner:
You can tell that he's a player of the game.
383
00:32:13,356 --> 00:32:15,382
Brandon Joyner:
So I love that you said that.
384
00:32:15,396 --> 00:32:16,306
Brandon Joyner:
That's really cool.
385
00:32:16,428 --> 00:32:21,662
Mark Burik:
As far as new partners go, another two partner.
386
00:32:21,806 --> 00:32:27,430
Mark Burik:
Number one for, like, little candy for the AVP fans and FIVB fans.
387
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:35,820
Mark Burik:
What is other than the Try conversation that you had? Like, somebody gave you a call, you practice with them twice, and you're like, I like this.
388
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:42,638
Mark Burik:
What do the conversations of, hey, I might want to play with you this season.
389
00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:58,426
Mark Burik:
What does one conversation like that look like when you called Doherty or Doherty called you? When you called Theo or Theo called you, was it a text message? Was it a phone call? Did you have the typical coffee? I've literally never sat down with any partner to have coffee to discuss whether we're playing together.
390
00:32:58,488 --> 00:32:59,914
Mark Burik:
But I keep hearing about it.
391
00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:02,458
Mark Burik:
I don't know what coffee shop.
392
00:33:02,544 --> 00:33:08,682
Mark Burik:
Everybody's going to kind of diagram one of those conversations.
393
00:33:08,826 --> 00:33:09,206
John Hyden:
Okay.
394
00:33:09,268 --> 00:33:09,530
John Hyden:
Yeah.
395
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:12,758
John Hyden:
So, I mean, even with Logan, like, you just put the feeler out.
396
00:33:12,784 --> 00:33:16,166
John Hyden:
It is pretty much a text or a phone message or whatever.
397
00:33:16,228 --> 00:33:19,240
John Hyden:
And it's kind of like, hey, I think we'd be a great fit.
398
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:22,742
John Hyden:
You want to talk about it, that's kind of where it is.
399
00:33:22,936 --> 00:33:29,810
John Hyden:
And yes, I'll get back to you or they call or whatever it is, and you go from there.
400
00:33:29,980 --> 00:33:31,682
John Hyden:
You want to train, you want to play.
401
00:33:31,816 --> 00:33:39,378
John Hyden:
My conversation after we decide to play, which I have not had with Logan yet, is, listen, this is a business and a partnership.
402
00:33:39,474 --> 00:33:42,580
John Hyden:
Like, you got to respect how hard I work.
403
00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:44,774
John Hyden:
I'll respect what you do.
404
00:33:44,812 --> 00:33:46,982
John Hyden:
But I would like you to work hard.
405
00:33:47,116 --> 00:33:49,706
John Hyden:
And if things aren't working out, be a man.
406
00:33:49,768 --> 00:33:52,010
John Hyden:
Like, give me a call and say, hey, things aren't working out.
407
00:33:52,060 --> 00:34:02,430
John Hyden:
I think maybe we should try different partners instead of just texting other guys or calling other guys and setting it up before you even have a chat with your partner.
408
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:05,894
John Hyden:
So those are some of the conversations I've had in the past.
409
00:34:05,932 --> 00:34:07,214
John Hyden:
It's like, be a man about it.
410
00:34:07,252 --> 00:34:10,070
John Hyden:
Just step up and talk or a woman.
411
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:16,910
John Hyden:
I think there's a lot of cattiness out there about players and behind people's backs.
412
00:34:17,230 --> 00:34:20,198
John Hyden:
I just like to be straightforward and talk about it.
413
00:34:20,224 --> 00:34:29,366
John Hyden:
So you sit down and you go over what you're looking for for the season, whether you want to play Fib, whether you're playing just AVP some goals for sure.
414
00:34:29,428 --> 00:34:31,130
John Hyden:
That's something I reached out to Logan about.
415
00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:38,006
John Hyden:
What is he looking for and whatever he comes to say, which that's between us.
416
00:34:38,128 --> 00:34:39,590
John Hyden:
I'm just going to try and get him there.
417
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,486
John Hyden:
I'm going to try and help him get there the best I can, the best I've known, and he knows that.
418
00:34:44,548 --> 00:34:45,626
John Hyden:
I let him know.
419
00:34:45,748 --> 00:34:46,794
John Hyden:
I'm a hard worker.
420
00:34:46,842 --> 00:34:47,822
John Hyden:
You're going to work hard.
421
00:34:47,896 --> 00:34:50,594
John Hyden:
But if we have some sort of beef, let's talk about it.
422
00:34:50,632 --> 00:34:51,770
John Hyden:
Let's chat about it.
423
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,822
John Hyden:
And that's kind of how those coffee talks go.
424
00:34:53,896 --> 00:34:58,070
Mark Burik:
Has anybody ever turned John hiding down?
425
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:58,960
John Hyden:
I have not been responded to.
426
00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:01,000
Mark Burik:
Yeah. All right.
427
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:02,920
John Hyden:
I like that.
428
00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:08,740
John Hyden:
I like to get on the court and use that as a little fire.
429
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:10,382
John Hyden:
Always good.
430
00:35:10,516 --> 00:35:32,258
Mark Burik:
Have you ever sat down with somebody and actually talked it out and then decided, you know what, my goals don't match up or what you want to do and how you want to play the game doesn't really match my game, even though we're both high level players, maybe just because we don't have the same style or thoughts on the game, we're not going to be a good match.
431
00:35:32,404 --> 00:35:33,746
John Hyden:
Yeah, I think that.
432
00:35:33,868 --> 00:35:37,202
John Hyden:
But that comes more after you've played with that partner for a little bit.
433
00:35:37,336 --> 00:35:37,958
John Hyden:
Yeah.
434
00:35:38,104 --> 00:35:38,522
John Hyden:
Never.
435
00:35:38,596 --> 00:35:39,520
John Hyden:
Usually before.
436
00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:43,610
John Hyden:
You're always given that chance, and hopefully it works out.
437
00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:47,594
John Hyden:
But you find out pretty quick when you're not on the same thought process.
438
00:35:47,752 --> 00:35:49,430
Mark Burik:
So that leads me to the next one.
439
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:50,642
Mark Burik:
I've got it all written down.
440
00:35:50,716 --> 00:35:53,370
I've been waiting for a long time to pick your brain.
441
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:57,734
Mark Burik:
You've played with a few players now who you're not in the same city as.
442
00:35:57,832 --> 00:35:58,094
Mark Burik:
Right.
443
00:35:58,132 --> 00:36:00,186
Mark Burik:
So you played with Ricardo.
444
00:36:00,258 --> 00:36:02,190
Mark Burik:
Currently you're playing with Logan.
445
00:36:02,250 --> 00:36:07,914
Mark Burik:
You moved to Tennessee two years ago, and then it was Theo, where Evie Matthews was coaching.
446
00:36:07,962 --> 00:36:13,730
Mark Burik:
Theo, I think your style of game while they were in California and you were hanging out in Tennessee.
447
00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:32,498
Mark Burik:
So what are the most important conversations or activities that somebody should do if they're playing with somebody for the first time and they've never practiced together?
448
00:36:32,584 --> 00:36:34,046
John Hyden:
The first thing I usually do is go over setting how you want your set. I mean, that's kind of the most important.
449
00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:44,330
John Hyden:
You walk out on that court, it's like, what are your sets during side out, you pass the ball good, what do you like? And there should be a couple of different types of sets.
450
00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:58,650
John Hyden:
So that's the very first thing we do once we get on the court with any partner I have figure out the setting, because once you get that done, you're good for your side out, then for sure, you got to go into transition setting.
451
00:36:58,830 --> 00:37:00,086
John Hyden:
When I dig a ball here.
452
00:37:00,148 --> 00:37:04,070
John Hyden:
How do you want this ball? And you know, Mark, you've been practicing with me all week.
453
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,610
John Hyden:
You know how I like it compared to how you like it.
454
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:15,102
John Hyden:
So it's a completely different thing how I run transition and how Logan now runs transition.
455
00:37:15,246 --> 00:37:21,954
John Hyden:
And obviously, I try and make him think ahead and go, okay, well, what about this and see how you like it and transition.
456
00:37:22,122 --> 00:37:28,850
John Hyden:
So for me, I'm always trying to gear my partners towards my style of game, but it's very important.
457
00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:30,446
John Hyden:
I mean, transition is huge.
458
00:37:30,628 --> 00:37:33,330
John Hyden:
If you're high level transition, you're going to win matches.
459
00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:46,298
John Hyden:
So you really got to figure out that setting Alpha, dig or on two off a block, whatever it is, those are the two biggest things I find getting with a partner and figuring out.
460
00:37:46,324 --> 00:37:52,300
Mark Burik:
how do you settle it? If you guys have completely opposing ideas?
461
00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:54,782
John Hyden:
I make them do exactly what I want them to do. Fair.
462
00:37:54,916 --> 00:37:57,470
John Hyden:
Now, you know what? I work on it a lot.
463
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:58,370
John Hyden:
I work on it.
464
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:07,610
John Hyden:
And again, when they're more athletic, you've seen us work on the on, too, and you've seen how Logan hits the ball, right? Same way.
465
00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:09,820
John Hyden:
Try is super good at it.
466
00:38:10,450 --> 00:38:20,178
John Hyden:
And a lot of these players that I play with like that, if you don't have the ball control to feed somebody on to, then don't make it part of your game or work on it constantly.
467
00:38:20,274 --> 00:38:20,642
John Hyden:
Right.
468
00:38:20,716 --> 00:38:22,022
John Hyden:
I work on it non stop.
469
00:38:22,096 --> 00:38:25,874
John Hyden:
I work on transition setting non stop all the time.
470
00:38:26,032 --> 00:38:27,122
John Hyden:
So I'm trying.
471
00:38:27,196 --> 00:38:30,902
John Hyden:
For me, it's going to be best if I can gear a player towards what I do.
472
00:38:31,036 --> 00:38:33,086
John Hyden:
And then I've had partners in the past.
473
00:38:33,148 --> 00:38:35,378
John Hyden:
They weren't as good at it.
474
00:38:35,464 --> 00:38:43,600
John Hyden:
It hurts my game, it hurts my side out, it hurts my transition, but then I have to accommodate them just because they can't get it done.
475
00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:46,326
John Hyden:
They can't set that ball and transition.
476
00:38:46,398 --> 00:38:48,822
John Hyden:
So it's more vanilla.
477
00:38:48,846 --> 00:38:51,770
John Hyden:
I would say I take a ball, just put it up and down.
478
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:53,560
John Hyden:
I'll come in and do the best I can.
479
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:58,650
John Hyden:
I've been with players in the past that can't set that ball.
480
00:38:58,830 --> 00:38:59,318
Mark Burik:
Okay.
481
00:38:59,404 --> 00:39:01,070
Mark Burik:
And then you just change it and you find a way.
482
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,406
John Hyden:
I just decided I got to be good then and do something else.
483
00:39:04,588 --> 00:39:05,078
Mark Burik:
Okay.
484
00:39:05,164 --> 00:39:05,378
Mark Burik:
Yeah.
485
00:39:05,404 --> 00:39:08,790
Mark Burik:
I think I went through that, like, a little bit of that with maybe Kurt Topple.
486
00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:11,538
Mark Burik:
While I was playing, I was like, man, this dude is a blocker.
487
00:39:11,574 --> 00:39:17,094
Mark Burik:
He can get up there and throw hands up and jump, and he can side out like an animal.
488
00:39:17,202 --> 00:39:24,494
Mark Burik:
But then it came down to the setting, and there are things that I wanted to do from a setting standpoint, a certain tempo or whatever that I wanted to run.
489
00:39:24,652 --> 00:39:29,270
Mark Burik:
And we came up with a system where it was like, listen, I'm not going to go a relationship from you.
490
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,570
Mark Burik:
I'm not going to try to have you measure things.
491
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,610
Mark Burik:
Here's the spot on my net.
492
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:40,214
Mark Burik:
You just try to put it there with some light tempo and I will wait extra.
493
00:39:40,312 --> 00:39:48,458
Mark Burik:
I'm not expecting any sort of different plays to run and I'll do my best, and that was the guy that I had my best finishes with him.
494
00:39:48,484 --> 00:39:54,400
Mark Burik:
And weird that he was probably the lowest skilled setter that I played with.
495
00:39:54,850 --> 00:40:06,770
Mark Burik:
But because I was just like, you know what? I'm just not going to expect a very dimed consistent set and we were still able to make it work, even though it wasn't the exact system that I thought I was best at.
496
00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:17,790
Mark Burik:
We found a way to make it work, and it's cool to hear from somebody who's been winning for so long that there is that little bit of compromise that you can make based on somebody's abilities after some trial and error.
497
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:19,778
John Hyden:
Yeah, I mean, you definitely have to.
498
00:40:19,804 --> 00:40:28,180
John Hyden:
And that's what makes you and sets you apart from everybody else is if I can't run my thing, I still better be able to put it away with your thing.
499
00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:35,906
Mark Burik:
The style that you run for, those maybe some who aren't watching or don't know AVP quality.
500
00:40:35,968 --> 00:40:56,378
Mark Burik:
But you have your own style that's the heightened people refer to, a style with your name and fast and maybe current fans don't realize it, but you are the first player to really embrace tempo and speed, spread offense and do it at an extremely high level.
501
00:40:56,464 --> 00:41:01,130
Mark Burik:
Do you think? And we see everybody jump setting now and running, spread and everything.
502
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:21,640
Mark Burik:
Do you think that everybody should play your style or try to emulate it, or should everybody try to find just their own game? What do you think is going to be the next four years or eight years of volleyball? Where should people be aiming?
503
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:26,858
John Hyden:
I think there should be a piece of it. Not everybody can do it, and that's an issue and not everybody should do it.
504
00:41:26,884 --> 00:41:39,160
John Hyden:
I mean, if I have somebody who's six, eight and jumps super high, if I have Phil Dalhous or Jake put up a high ball, let them go hit high, right? They don't need to hit fast.
505
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:40,310
John Hyden:
For me.
506
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:45,242
John Hyden:
The reason I created that was I have short arms and I don't jump very high.
507
00:41:45,316 --> 00:41:50,270
John Hyden:
So a block put up in front of me with a high ball isn't going to work for me all the time.
508
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,842
John Hyden:
And the percentages aren't that great.
509
00:41:51,916 --> 00:41:57,690
John Hyden:
So why not shoot the ball or fast set and move it around so there is no block.
510
00:41:57,810 --> 00:41:59,198
John Hyden:
I can do that all day.
511
00:41:59,284 --> 00:42:05,174
John Hyden:
So I had to create that for myself because I found my footwork was much faster, I could move around.
512
00:42:05,212 --> 00:42:08,162
John Hyden:
I could pretty much hit any speed set I want.
513
00:42:08,356 --> 00:42:13,290
John Hyden:
It doesn't matter how fast it goes by, I will be able to get it down on the other side of the court.
514
00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:14,978
John Hyden:
So that really works for me.
515
00:42:15,004 --> 00:42:16,742
John Hyden:
And most guys can't do that.
516
00:42:16,876 --> 00:42:21,318
John Hyden:
You can practice, practice, see if you got it and run some of those plays.
517
00:42:21,414 --> 00:42:24,506
John Hyden:
But in the end, you got to play your game, whatever.
518
00:42:24,568 --> 00:42:27,246
John Hyden:
That is one of my favorite quotes.
519
00:42:27,318 --> 00:42:38,258
John Hyden:
And I say this to all my players and everybody I do camps with is from Bruce Lee, absorb what is useful, discard what is useless, and add what is essentially your own.
520
00:42:38,344 --> 00:42:44,394
John Hyden:
I've done that from day one, and I've talked to you about this, Mark, when I first came on tour, I'm watching Stein.
521
00:42:44,442 --> 00:42:47,910
John Hyden:
I'm watching Todd Rogers, DAX Cart.
522
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:50,978
John Hyden:
I'm watching all these guys in the positions they play.
523
00:42:51,064 --> 00:42:54,602
John Hyden:
And I kind of take a little bit from each of them over the years.
524
00:42:54,736 --> 00:42:56,334
John Hyden:
Like, I didn't have a pokey.
525
00:42:56,442 --> 00:42:57,662
John Hyden:
Stein's pokey was amazing.
526
00:42:57,736 --> 00:42:59,150
John Hyden:
So I put that in one year.
527
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,300
John Hyden:
The next year, I learned how to hand it.
528
00:43:01,630 --> 00:43:04,334
John Hyden:
The next year after that, I learned how to do something else.
529
00:43:04,372 --> 00:43:10,370
John Hyden:
And it was like for the first five, six years, I always took something else and really worked on it that year.
530
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:12,302
John Hyden:
And it just added into my game.
531
00:43:12,376 --> 00:43:14,258
John Hyden:
And then I made everything else my own.
532
00:43:14,344 --> 00:43:17,070
John Hyden:
So people have limitations.
533
00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:19,850
John Hyden:
Nobody's going to go out there and block like Mole.
534
00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:21,710
John Hyden:
We talked about this, too.
535
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:28,350
John Hyden:
Like, he is jumping 40 inches, he's 68, and he's making these crazy moves.
536
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:37,562
John Hyden:
Well, we're not going to teach certain players to block like Mole because they physically can't, but you got to find your own way, your own way through it.
537
00:43:37,576 --> 00:43:38,860
John Hyden:
That works for you.
538
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:41,906
John Hyden:
So everybody's got to do their own thing.
539
00:43:42,088 --> 00:43:43,478
John Hyden:
Try other things, though.
540
00:43:43,564 --> 00:43:45,146
John Hyden:
Try as many things as possible.
541
00:43:45,328 --> 00:43:51,546
Mark Burik:
I think that's interesting because I kind of maybe anticipated an answer that resembles what happened with indoor.
542
00:43:51,678 --> 00:44:00,758
Mark Burik:
Once everybody started running speed, everybody started running speed and trying to go against only one blocker instead of two.
543
00:44:00,904 --> 00:44:09,794
Mark Burik:
And I half expected, like, maybe beach should always be trying to get an unbalanced blocker and an off balanced defender and try to get an open net.
544
00:44:09,892 --> 00:44:18,640
Mark Burik:
But interesting to hear that you think that there's still room for people to be like, no, because there's two people on the court if you sign up just as well against somebody.
545
00:44:19,390 --> 00:44:28,034
John Hyden:
A couple of years ago when I still played Fivb, Adrienne and Rossi came out, the Italians, and they started really over.
546
00:44:28,192 --> 00:44:33,306
John Hyden:
Like, every single play was back this way, jump set, push out, blah, blah, blah.
547
00:44:33,438 --> 00:44:49,950
John Hyden:
Well, it was about 65 degree cloud cover, and I was like, you know what? As soon as the sun comes out and it's 85 degrees, how are you going to do that all day? How are you going to do that for a match? And it actually showed over time it'll work against certain blockers.
548
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:50,538
John Hyden:
Ryan.
549
00:44:50,574 --> 00:44:52,982
John Hyden:
I was playing with Ryan at the time, and they came out and crushed us.
550
00:44:53,056 --> 00:45:01,266
John Hyden:
Well, Ryan doesn't move laterally, so great, right? But you get a guy like Theo out there who's an indoor middle who moves his feet.
551
00:45:01,398 --> 00:45:02,620
John Hyden:
It's a little different.
552
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:07,350
John Hyden:
And plus that heat and running all over the place really takes its toll.
553
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:14,354
John Hyden:
And I know, like, last year, two years ago, Latvia small since Smedon had the same thing.
554
00:45:14,392 --> 00:45:21,734
John Hyden:
They started jump setting and trying everything on two, and they went from top ten to moving back in the world.
555
00:45:21,892 --> 00:45:25,758
John Hyden:
It's like there has to be a happy medium.
556
00:45:25,854 --> 00:45:27,254
John Hyden:
Like, you can't come out and run.
557
00:45:27,292 --> 00:45:35,198
John Hyden:
That a whole match without making error after error and getting tired, and you have to have the ball control.
558
00:45:35,284 --> 00:45:44,978
John Hyden:
So I find guys start to jump set and they tend to just overdo it and over try, and it's going to get you in trouble in the long run.
559
00:45:45,064 --> 00:45:47,906
John Hyden:
So there has to be a happy medium between that.
560
00:45:48,028 --> 00:45:48,638
Mark Burik:
Cool.
561
00:45:48,784 --> 00:45:51,602
Mark Burik:
So there's just a couple more questions, and then we'll let you go.
562
00:45:51,616 --> 00:45:52,890
Mark Burik:
I know you got a 230 appointment.
563
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:56,366
Mark Burik:
This is the one that everybody asked when we said we were interviewing you on social media.
564
00:45:56,428 --> 00:45:58,370
Mark Burik:
We said, which you love.
565
00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:15,410
Mark Burik:
This is what we want to know from John, your recovery secrets and rituals for your body and your health, because you're an absolute beacon for anybody who's over 35 who's like, It's too late for me.
566
00:46:15,460 --> 00:46:17,630
Mark Burik:
And then everybody goes, look at Hyden.
567
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:26,270
Mark Burik:
So you're a hero to so many dads, just gentlemen, like older guys.
568
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:36,410
Mark Burik:
You're like, wow, if he can do it, why can't I? Or how can I? So do you have rituals that you go through? Absolutely.
569
00:46:36,580 --> 00:46:43,674
Mark Burik:
Every time you play and your best recovery tips or secrets, including lifting.
570
00:46:43,842 --> 00:46:45,640
John Hyden:
I've been doing this a long time.
571
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:57,914
John Hyden:
So every single day I walked into my trainer, he said, how's the body feeling? And it's like my shoulders a little my hip or whatever it is.
572
00:46:58,012 --> 00:47:02,214
John Hyden:
And then he would accommodate me by figuring out how to do it without hurting.
573
00:47:02,322 --> 00:47:06,810
John Hyden:
Right when we're doing legs, if I'm having a leg issue, he's putting me on the ground.
574
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:08,070
John Hyden:
If my back is hurting.
575
00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:11,366
John Hyden:
All right, we'll get your legs done, but you're going to be on the ground all day.
576
00:47:11,548 --> 00:47:13,610
John Hyden:
He was able to figure out everything.
577
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:19,250
John Hyden:
So every single day I go to the gym, I'm assessing what's going on with my body.
578
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:21,698
John Hyden:
I have a plan right now.
579
00:47:21,724 --> 00:47:26,140
John Hyden:
If I go to the gym, I know it hurts, and I know what I have to do to accommodate that.
580
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:32,294
John Hyden:
You may have to skip a certain thing, but you can find another way of getting it done.
581
00:47:32,452 --> 00:47:35,162
John Hyden:
So that's a big thing, knowing your body that way.
582
00:47:35,296 --> 00:47:41,450
John Hyden:
I know if I had ice cream and cookies tonight, I can feel that.
583
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,974
John Hyden:
I can feel that the next day in my joints.
584
00:47:44,082 --> 00:47:49,514
John Hyden:
So I know how much my body needs of certain things.
585
00:47:49,672 --> 00:47:57,074
John Hyden:
And when I'm over in the sweets or I'm not getting enough protein, I'm feeling a little aging, stuff like that.
586
00:47:57,112 --> 00:48:01,300
John Hyden:
So I've really found a way to understand my body a lot more.
587
00:48:01,630 --> 00:48:03,302
John Hyden:
And that kind of comes with age.
588
00:48:03,376 --> 00:48:05,882
John Hyden:
I mean, we all know what's good for you and what's not right.
589
00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:08,754
John Hyden:
It's not good to go out and have a few beers and ice cream.
590
00:48:08,922 --> 00:48:09,566
John Hyden:
It's okay.
591
00:48:09,628 --> 00:48:12,494
John Hyden:
It's great to have chicken and salt, whatever it is.
592
00:48:12,592 --> 00:48:19,278
John Hyden:
But I think understanding your own body because everybody's body works differently on different fuels.
593
00:48:19,374 --> 00:48:24,966
John Hyden:
And that's what I figured out, what my body feels best and works best on supplements.
594
00:48:25,158 --> 00:48:28,650
John Hyden:
I'm always making sure I have the right supplements.
595
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:32,106
John Hyden:
I guess you could say whether I have a concoction.
596
00:48:32,178 --> 00:48:35,726
John Hyden:
A trainer put me on before, but he knew Tmeric was a big thing.
597
00:48:35,848 --> 00:48:41,560
John Hyden:
He had me on Tumeric, boss William and glucose all at one time working together.
598
00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:43,598
John Hyden:
I was taking that.
599
00:48:43,744 --> 00:48:48,878
John Hyden:
I take a Hawaii bioacten has Astos anthem in it.
600
00:48:48,964 --> 00:48:55,754
John Hyden:
If you don't know what that is, look it up, because I do feel like that really out vitamin D.
601
00:48:55,792 --> 00:49:07,060
John Hyden:
I'm making sure I get my vitamin D all the time, but there's a lot of these things, so who knows what's working best? I just know that I feel good when I'm on all of them, so I keep doing it.
602
00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:13,962
John Hyden:
If I am beat up, especially during tournaments after a Friday or Saturday, I take a nice bath.
603
00:49:13,986 --> 00:49:14,680
John Hyden:
No matter.
604
00:49:15,070 --> 00:49:19,466
John Hyden:
The biggest key things about playing at this is surrounding yourself with a good team.
605
00:49:19,648 --> 00:49:23,042
John Hyden:
My wife and my trainer are the biggest part of my team.
606
00:49:23,236 --> 00:49:26,018
John Hyden:
If she sees me play all day, she's the first to go.
607
00:49:26,164 --> 00:49:32,380
John Hyden:
I'll go to the store while you're getting work done and I'll get the ice and 50 pound ice and the ice bath is ready when I get back.
608
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:34,070
John Hyden:
She does that for me.
609
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,138
John Hyden:
Oh, I come in.
610
00:49:35,224 --> 00:49:36,374
John Hyden:
My back is killing me.
611
00:49:36,412 --> 00:49:37,946
John Hyden:
She's working on my back.
612
00:49:38,128 --> 00:49:40,718
John Hyden:
So whatever it is, she's right there behind me.
613
00:49:40,744 --> 00:49:42,378
John Hyden:
She knows this is our livelihood.
614
00:49:42,474 --> 00:49:49,266
John Hyden:
She wants to continue her in the summer so she'll do whatever it takes to keep me healthy.
615
00:49:49,398 --> 00:49:57,962
John Hyden:
And it's funny, over these years, it's like we move a couple of times and we got to move a dresser and she's like, no, John, sit down.
616
00:49:58,156 --> 00:49:59,774
John Hyden:
She won't let me remove anything.
617
00:49:59,932 --> 00:50:01,398
John Hyden:
She won't let me pick up boxes.
618
00:50:01,434 --> 00:50:02,450
John Hyden:
She won't let me do this.
619
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:03,714
John Hyden:
It's pretty funny.
620
00:50:03,882 --> 00:50:11,930
John Hyden:
So I have her behind me and then obviously everything my trainer puts into it, I can't do it without him for sure.
621
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:22,682
Mark Burik:
Do you play? Do you continue to practice when you have a tweak? I heard from somebody at some point that said, if you feel like you've tweaked something, practice is over.
622
00:50:22,756 --> 00:50:27,242
Mark Burik:
And we'll see John Hayden in three days after he's gone to his trainer and fixed it.
623
00:50:27,316 --> 00:50:35,210
Mark Burik:
I don't know if that's true, but do you play when you feel like something's not quite right? Do you still practice?
624
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:39,530
John Hyden:
It really depends on what part of season. Three years ago, I tore my calf in Chicago.
625
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:43,610
John Hyden:
Since then it just comes and goes and goes.
626
00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:47,618
John Hyden:
So if I'm out there training now and I feel it.
627
00:50:47,644 --> 00:50:49,382
John Hyden:
I'm like, hey, guys, I'm done.
628
00:50:49,516 --> 00:50:50,414
John Hyden:
No problem.
629
00:50:50,572 --> 00:50:52,346
John Hyden:
There's no reason for me to push through it.
630
00:50:52,408 --> 00:50:55,118
John Hyden:
It's better to get healthy and come back two days later.
631
00:50:55,264 --> 00:50:58,826
John Hyden:
Again, it's knowing your body and when you should say no.
632
00:50:59,008 --> 00:51:01,730
John Hyden:
So you got to look at the big picture there.
633
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:03,990
John Hyden:
I'll step out of my back, dude.
634
00:51:04,050 --> 00:51:07,970
John Hyden:
All right, guys, I'm done, which is usually pretty good because we have, like, five guys.
635
00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:10,000
John Hyden:
So if I bow out, they can all play.
636
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:12,542
John Hyden:
It works out.
637
00:51:12,616 --> 00:51:15,278
John Hyden:
Guys are around here that train with me.
638
00:51:15,424 --> 00:51:16,130
John Hyden:
They know it.
639
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:17,402
John Hyden:
I mean, I can say it.
640
00:51:17,416 --> 00:51:20,094
John Hyden:
I'm old, so I got to be careful.
641
00:51:20,142 --> 00:51:22,310
John Hyden:
Sometimes you don't play like it.
642
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:22,826
John Hyden:
Okay.
643
00:51:22,948 --> 00:51:27,678
Mark Burik:
How many times do you practice? How many times do you play? You said the other day I practice.
644
00:51:27,774 --> 00:51:31,670
Mark Burik:
This is the first time in ten years that I've practiced two days in a row.
645
00:51:32,170 --> 00:51:37,550
Mark Burik:
I was like, Well, yeah, because dude's playing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, every weekend, so he gets reps.
646
00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:50,466
Mark Burik:
But what's your formula for days of lifting or gym work? Even if it's not lifting, and I know you don't load your spine, you never put anything on your shoulders in terms of squatting.
647
00:51:50,658 --> 00:51:52,694
Mark Burik:
That's just something you and your trainer found.
648
00:51:52,852 --> 00:52:04,310
Mark Burik:
But what is your gym to practice ratio in preseason?
649
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,520
John Hyden:
Like right now, leading up six weeks before or whatever the first term is, I'd like to go three times a week. I like to do a Monday, Wednesday, Friday thing.
650
00:52:07,330 --> 00:52:09,242
John Hyden:
I don't like to do back to back days.
651
00:52:09,316 --> 00:52:16,106
John Hyden:
But Logan's only out here for a certain amount of time and we need to get together and we need to work on things.
652
00:52:16,168 --> 00:52:19,686
John Hyden:
So last week I think we went three days in a row.
653
00:52:19,878 --> 00:52:21,400
John Hyden:
That about killed me.
654
00:52:21,970 --> 00:52:29,690
John Hyden:
But this week I told them we'll go Monday, we'll take Tuesday off, we'll go Wednesday and Thursday.
655
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:43,190
John Hyden:
So, yes, I like to do three days a week and then in the gym, I pretty much the other three days and maybe a fourth, depending on if I want to get in, stretch, roll out, hit the sauna.
656
00:52:43,570 --> 00:52:46,502
John Hyden:
So I'm pretty much doing something every day.
657
00:52:46,636 --> 00:52:48,078
John Hyden:
And I've always been a firm believer.
658
00:52:48,114 --> 00:52:54,038
John Hyden:
Even like when I was in La training, I would hit my trainer three times a week and I'd hit the sand three times a week.
659
00:52:54,064 --> 00:52:55,010
John Hyden:
And that's it.
660
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:56,838
John Hyden:
That was my schedule.
661
00:52:56,994 --> 00:52:59,786
Mark Burik:
It's weird that there's no built in rest day.
662
00:52:59,908 --> 00:53:09,006
Mark Burik:
I figured that there would be like two days off or like, okay, I'll lift and practice on Monday, but then I'll just completely rest on Tuesday and then practice, etc.
663
00:53:09,078 --> 00:53:11,402
Mark Burik:
But you don't have any full on rest days.
664
00:53:11,476 --> 00:53:16,034
Mark Burik:
Or do you count gym sometimes as recovery?
665
00:53:16,072 --> 00:53:17,970
John Hyden:
Yeah. So the gym will sometimes be recovery.
666
00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:19,902
John Hyden:
Like I said, I'm always talking to my trainer.
667
00:53:19,926 --> 00:53:29,454
John Hyden:
So if I go out Monday and train on the Beach Tuesday, I train ten to twelve, nine to twelve, whatever it was on the sand.
668
00:53:29,562 --> 00:53:33,690
John Hyden:
But then I wouldn't hit him until Tuesday at 4:05.
669
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:37,000
John Hyden:
So that's a lot of rest in between right there.
670
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:42,374
John Hyden:
And then sometimes I walk in there and I'm like, man, I'm pretty beat up.
671
00:53:42,532 --> 00:53:50,246
John Hyden:
And we would just do kind of a stretch routine, some band work that wasn't too crazy.
672
00:53:50,368 --> 00:53:52,998
John Hyden:
And that's not a gnarly workout.
673
00:53:53,034 --> 00:53:55,190
John Hyden:
That's just, like getting the kinks out of the body.
674
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:01,134
John Hyden:
So there are days like that I step in, so it's not, like, hard every time I'm lifting.
675
00:54:01,242 --> 00:54:01,874
Mark Burik:
Got it.
676
00:54:01,972 --> 00:54:07,970
Mark Burik:
Okay, so a gym day doesn't mean weights, doesn't mean squat rack and bench press.
677
00:54:08,140 --> 00:54:11,200
John Hyden:
No, never bench press.
678
00:54:12,850 --> 00:54:13,610
Mark Burik:
Cool.
679
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:24,114
John Hyden:
My wife wanted to mention one of the things, one of my sponsors, Seattle Gummy Company, they have these, like, Mocha shots that are phenomenal QuickEnergy.
680
00:54:24,222 --> 00:54:29,654
John Hyden:
I had a couple of years ago in Chicago beat up, just getting crushed down.
681
00:54:29,692 --> 00:54:37,758
John Hyden:
We're in the losers bracket, played matches all the time, right? And I was dying because obviously, again, joints being older, blah, blah, blah.
682
00:54:37,794 --> 00:54:38,690
John Hyden:
And it was cold out.
683
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:39,738
John Hyden:
And I'm like, I'm beat.
684
00:54:39,774 --> 00:54:44,582
John Hyden:
I don't know if I can play another game, right? And my trainer, she calls my trainer because that's what we do.
685
00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:52,866
John Hyden:
What do we do? What do we do? He's going to die, right? He's like, get him some quick caffeine somehow.
686
00:54:53,058 --> 00:54:54,460
John Hyden:
Get it into them.
687
00:54:54,970 --> 00:55:00,546
John Hyden:
She runs and you know how far one side is from the other? North Avenue and Oak.
688
00:55:00,738 --> 00:55:05,010
John Hyden:
Robin runs from north all the way to Oak.
689
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:09,090
John Hyden:
Sees this tent that's handing out these things, little packets.
690
00:55:09,150 --> 00:55:12,318
John Hyden:
It's Seattle Gummy Company, right? And she's like, Mocha shots.
691
00:55:12,354 --> 00:55:15,350
John Hyden:
All right, what are these? And the guy explains it really quickly.
692
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,190
John Hyden:
She runs all the way back, right? Because the game is about to start.
693
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,526
John Hyden:
We start warming up, and she goes, take these.
694
00:55:22,708 --> 00:55:26,586
John Hyden:
And so each one has, like, equivalent to a cup of coffee.
695
00:55:26,718 --> 00:55:28,634
John Hyden:
And I'm like, it doesn't matter.
696
00:55:28,672 --> 00:55:29,474
John Hyden:
Take them.
697
00:55:29,632 --> 00:55:31,190
John Hyden:
Get this caffeine in me.
698
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:34,226
John Hyden:
And these things get into your system within five minutes.
699
00:55:34,288 --> 00:55:35,822
John Hyden:
It doesn't take a long time.
700
00:55:35,956 --> 00:55:42,230
John Hyden:
And usually I won't take much caffeine because I don't like jitters, but they don't give you jitters at all.
701
00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:44,882
John Hyden:
It actually gives you more of a focus.
702
00:55:45,076 --> 00:55:49,478
John Hyden:
And Mark, I swear I felt like I was playing the first time for that day.
703
00:55:49,564 --> 00:55:54,218
John Hyden:
Like, once it got in my system, once that game started, I was like, wow, I feel great now.
704
00:55:54,244 --> 00:55:56,826
John Hyden:
I shouldn't be giving all my secrets, but it is a sponsor of mine.
705
00:55:56,898 --> 00:56:02,678
John Hyden:
From there, they're like, oh, my God, really? This is the story you have? So they started talking to me, love the story.
706
00:56:02,764 --> 00:56:06,498
John Hyden:
But I swear, man, this stuff is fantastic.
707
00:56:06,594 --> 00:56:09,006
John Hyden:
But they also have recovery.
708
00:56:09,078 --> 00:56:11,726
John Hyden:
They have melatonin ones.
709
00:56:11,788 --> 00:56:17,390
John Hyden:
They have a bunch of other stuff that I really like, but I just want to put that out there.
710
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,810
John Hyden:
Seattle Gummy Company, if you guys look it up, that stuff is really good.
711
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,374
Mark Burik:
Nice.
712
00:56:21,472 --> 00:56:22,730
Mark Burik:
Saved your tournament.
713
00:56:23,350 --> 00:56:24,446
John Hyden:
It really did.
714
00:56:24,568 --> 00:56:27,040
Mark Burik:
Pickles had one company.
715
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:31,940
Mark Burik:
I just wanted, like, a pickle sponsorship from somebody.
716
00:56:32,330 --> 00:56:34,278
Mark Burik:
The amount of tournaments that don't save me.
717
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Mark Burik:
Well, John, hidden can't thank you enough for sharing your knowledge stopping by.
718
00:56:38,456 --> 00:56:41,682
Mark Burik:
And, of course, let me stay in your house and training with you.
719
00:56:41,756 --> 00:56:51,838
Mark Burik:
You're a legend, and really, truly it's so cool to be able to practice with you, to play with you, and to try to listen in when you're teaching Logan some stuff I'm always trying to absorb.
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00:56:51,874 --> 00:56:54,186
Mark Burik:
And I think you're one of the model.
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00:56:54,308 --> 00:56:59,418
Mark Burik:
Not only athletes, but people that people should listen to, follow.
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00:56:59,504 --> 00:57:05,766
Mark Burik:
And as much as you don't throw everything on social media, I think people are starving to hear from you.
723
00:57:05,888 --> 00:57:11,646
Mark Burik:
And I hope you do a bunch more interviews like this so that we can keep tugging all that knowledge out of you.
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00:57:11,708 --> 00:57:13,340
John Hyden:
Well, you know where to find me.
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00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:19,182
John Hyden:
Guys like you that are like, will you do this? And my wife standing right there going, yeah, right.
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00:57:19,376 --> 00:57:21,486
Mark Burik:
That's literally how it happened this morning.
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00:57:21,668 --> 00:57:25,460
Mark Burik:
John, can you do a podcast? He looks left and Marvin's like, yeah, he's on.
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00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:28,782
Mark Burik:
Thank you so much for your time.
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00:57:28,916 --> 00:57:29,634
Mark Burik:
Appreciate it.
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00:57:29,672 --> 00:57:32,026
Mark Burik:
And we will see you on the sand.
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00:57:32,158 --> 00:57:33,282
John Hyden:
All right, thanks, bro.
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00:57:33,416 --> 00:57:34,350
Mark Burik:
All right, have a good one.
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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,798
Mark Burik:
Brandon, you want to stay and do a show wrap up? Sure.
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00:57:36,884 --> 00:57:37,314
Mark Burik:
Awesome.
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00:57:37,412 --> 00:57:44,840
Brandon Joyner:
I've said it before, but he's one of those people that I could listen to every single day of the week, no matter what.
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00:57:45,890 --> 00:57:48,426
Brandon Joyner:
I was lucky enough when I first moved out here.
737
00:57:48,548 --> 00:57:52,830
Brandon Joyner:
You're getting the opportunity to play with him or play against him a few times.
738
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,150
Brandon Joyner:
So I got invited to a couple of practices, and then I was playing with Ty Trambley as well.
739
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,974
Brandon Joyner:
And I got to go to some practices, and he's just welcoming.
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00:58:00,082 --> 00:58:03,082
Brandon Joyner:
You know, he's not scared to share his secrets.
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00:58:03,226 --> 00:58:04,758
Brandon Joyner:
He still holds back a little bit.
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00:58:04,844 --> 00:58:10,746
Brandon Joyner:
He's got to make sure he's got that competitive edge because he is one of the most competitive people I've ever met in my life.
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00:58:10,808 --> 00:58:19,110
Brandon Joyner:
But the fact that he is giving back to the game and is willing to have these conversations, it goes to show what kind of guy is.
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00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:21,310
Brandon Joyner:
If you see him at a tournament, don't be scared.
745
00:58:21,370 --> 00:58:23,240
Brandon Joyner:
Go up, say Hi, introduce yourself.
746
00:58:23,570 --> 00:58:25,518
Brandon Joyner:
He's worth having the conversation with.
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00:58:25,604 --> 00:58:26,240
Mark Burik:
Definitely.
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00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:32,454
Mark Burik:
And he's got his own facility here, Highland Beach, so people can come and Hunt them down.
749
00:58:32,492 --> 00:58:35,370
Mark Burik:
And he talks about like, yeah, we're open for training.
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00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:36,838
Mark Burik:
We're open for camps.
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00:58:36,934 --> 00:58:43,100
Mark Burik:
People just need to reach out, and he's ready to be here and coach them on his six courts, which are really nice.
752
00:58:43,550 --> 00:58:44,782
Mark Burik:
And it's just outside Nashville.
753
00:58:44,806 --> 00:58:59,120
Mark Burik:
So it's like, hey, why don't you just go to Nashville, which is a hot spot, do the training first, then get the party, like, come Thursday for training, and then after Friday afternoon, invite them out for a little beer and live music or something.
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00:58:59,510 --> 00:59:01,410
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah, that's awesome.
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00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,082
Mark Burik:
Yeah.
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00:59:02,216 --> 00:59:07,986
Mark Burik:
To win for as long as you had and to have a style of volleyball where people literally name it after you.
757
00:59:08,108 --> 00:59:10,738
Mark Burik:
Cart is somebody who became more than a player.
758
00:59:10,774 --> 00:59:13,858
Mark Burik:
It wasn't just who he was, he became his own brand.
759
00:59:13,894 --> 00:59:16,306
Mark Burik:
Like Roger had a couple of shots.
760
00:59:16,438 --> 00:59:19,146
Mark Burik:
He had one specific swing that was his.
761
00:59:19,268 --> 00:59:23,938
Mark Burik:
And to say that speed and spread offense are attributed completely to genre.
762
00:59:23,974 --> 00:59:26,478
Mark Burik:
It's just like, absolutely, you like to run.
763
00:59:26,504 --> 00:59:27,034
Mark Burik:
Like Hyden.
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00:59:27,082 --> 00:59:27,798
Mark Burik:
That's what it is.
765
00:59:27,824 --> 00:59:33,594
Mark Burik:
And then we see the world now changing to adapt his style that he was one of the first ones to come out and do it.
766
00:59:33,632 --> 00:59:39,730
Mark Burik:
And so many teams are coming out and doing just speed and spread and it's tough.
767
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:48,510
Mark Burik:
You have to find that line of I like what he said, do you have the control first? Because the basics have to come first.
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00:59:48,560 --> 01:00:01,234
Mark Burik:
You have to be able to pass one free ball up and down before you can say, hey, can I pass a short serve and gun it across the court so that my partner can cut it off? That's an incredible amount of accuracy.
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01:00:01,282 --> 01:00:18,202
Mark Burik:
So get those basics first if you're out there and then start trying to find whatever offense or fancy or anything that you need to run, but you're going to end up losing a lot of tournaments, a lot of points if you try to go with the speed and the flow before you have your basics.
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01:00:18,346 --> 01:00:18,762
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah.
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01:00:18,836 --> 01:00:38,394
Brandon Joyner:
And then just being honest with yourself and realizing what type of player are you? I used to have this conversation a lot with Freddie when I was setting and felt like we were forcing speed sometimes and I would be like, you know what? I get why I'm setting speed to Eric Lucas and Joe Norton who are undersized outside.
772
01:00:38,492 --> 01:00:43,400
Brandon Joyner:
So when they're going up against these big blocks, it made sense to go quick.
773
01:00:44,030 --> 01:00:56,598
Brandon Joyner:
But then when I'm setting people like Dentler and quietl and all these other guys who are 6869 and jump really well, I was like, you know, I feel like we're forcing with them and now they're making more errors than they need to.
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01:00:56,744 --> 01:01:02,526
Brandon Joyner:
I think being honest with yourself and realizing what type of player you are is really important.
775
01:01:02,588 --> 01:01:10,518
Brandon Joyner:
I love that John said that and then being okay with stepping outside your comfort zone as well and trying new things.
776
01:01:10,664 --> 01:01:34,230
Brandon Joyner:
And Unfortunately, I think especially in the beach volley or in organized sport when you reach a really good level when you're in College, but unfortunately you're still looking behind you because there's somebody who wants to take your job so you can't be too experimental because if you just go off the rails and start doing all this crazy stuff, then that person behind you might take your spot because you're going to be making some errors.
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01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:36,140
Brandon Joyner:
It's kind of interesting.
778
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:46,126
Brandon Joyner:
I feel like I didn't really find who I was as a seller until I graduated College it's just kind of interesting because then I had the freedom.
779
01:01:46,258 --> 01:01:48,418
Brandon Joyner:
I knew I wasn't going to get taken out of the lineup.
780
01:01:48,454 --> 01:01:56,754
Brandon Joyner:
It's kind of interesting finding that balance of experimenting, but also not going crazy and just adding to your game as you can.
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01:01:56,912 --> 01:02:06,534
Mark Burik:
I think my three favorite parts are trying to get somebody to run his offense, but then finding the compromise in the middle and saying like, okay, we tried it, we tried it, we tried it.
782
01:02:06,632 --> 01:02:08,682
Mark Burik:
It's just not happening for us.
783
01:02:08,756 --> 01:02:14,514
Mark Burik:
So Where's our next step? Not giving up too early on it, but trying there.
784
01:02:14,672 --> 01:02:23,026
Mark Burik:
I like when he said that when you're winning, when you're starting to reach the top, that's when it's time to hit the accelerator.
785
01:02:23,218 --> 01:02:34,734
Mark Burik:
And in my mind, I was like, yeah, I started thinking of Norwegian guys, where you start becoming number one and winning tournaments, and now everybody is paying attention to you.
786
01:02:34,832 --> 01:02:40,914
Mark Burik:
Everybody is watching film on you, so the target on your back, the scouting reports on you.
787
01:02:41,012 --> 01:02:46,580
Mark Burik:
People have the most stats on you when you start feeling little bits of success.
788
01:02:46,910 --> 01:02:51,570
Mark Burik:
Now it's time to squeeze that throttle and just go.
789
01:02:51,680 --> 01:03:01,378
Mark Burik:
And then the interesting part was there's this Instagram kind of reel going around where Kobe says, I chose my training plan at the beginning of summer.
790
01:03:01,474 --> 01:03:02,494
Mark Burik:
I don't compromise.
791
01:03:02,542 --> 01:03:03,942
Mark Burik:
It doesn't matter how I feel that day.
792
01:03:03,956 --> 01:03:05,226
Mark Burik:
It doesn't matter what I do.
793
01:03:05,348 --> 01:03:13,566
Mark Burik:
And then we have a legend in another sport who says, every day I assess how I'm feeling and how I'm going to do it.
794
01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:20,922
Mark Burik:
So there are multiple ways to be successful, to be physical, to be a great athlete, and you got to find what works for you.
795
01:03:20,936 --> 01:03:31,834
Mark Burik:
And if it was Kobe who's got a team of people protecting his body, but to say that I'm assessing my body and okay, I can push harder today or, you know what? I'm in the gym.
796
01:03:31,882 --> 01:03:39,022
Mark Burik:
This has now just become a recovery day or a light movement day, and that's how he lasts, and that's how he survives, and that's how he thrives.
797
01:03:39,166 --> 01:03:51,294
Mark Burik:
People can take a lot from that when they're looking at their training programs and routines and say, how does my body feel today? What can I do to get it done without testing the parts of me that are weak right now?
798
01:03:51,332 --> 01:04:01,126
Brandon Joyner:
Yeah. And then I think last thing I want to say is probably my favorite moment of this whole episode was when he talked about how he chose to play with triborn.
799
01:04:01,318 --> 01:04:07,522
Brandon Joyner:
And the one thing that caught his eye was how after practice try went to his backpack.
800
01:04:07,606 --> 01:04:09,080
Brandon Joyner:
I still want to call it a book.
801
01:04:09,830 --> 01:04:14,780
Brandon Joyner:
Backpack grabbed a notebook and started writing down what he learned that day.
802
01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:25,340
Brandon Joyner:
If you're a young player and you heard that and at your next practice, if you don't pull out a notebook and write something down in it, then you don't care.
803
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:27,740
Brandon Joyner:
And I'm guilty as well.
804
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:36,260
Brandon Joyner:
I'm literally looking my mom got me this notebook for my birthday and I still haven't written a single thing in it.
805
01:04:39,930 --> 01:04:45,758
Brandon Joyner:
I've been going through these struggles recently of like, oh, I want to find that top player.
806
01:04:45,854 --> 01:04:57,226
Brandon Joyner:
I want to make sure this happens and just that little key of writing down what you learned that can catch somebody's eye and obviously make you into the player that you want to be.
807
01:04:57,288 --> 01:05:01,558
Brandon Joyner:
So I think that a lot of people need to take away that point of the show.
808
01:05:01,704 --> 01:05:02,230
Mark Burik:
Definitely.
809
01:05:02,340 --> 01:05:10,922
Mark Burik:
And last note, guys just like us, John runs training and number one, he didn't mention it on camera but he's looking for coaches.
810
01:05:11,006 --> 01:05:15,214
Mark Burik:
He's looking for people who want to learn the game and want to learn to teach the game.
811
01:05:15,372 --> 01:05:21,866
Mark Burik:
If that sounds like you find a way to reach out to the social media team, just send a message to hyden beach on Instagram.
812
01:05:22,058 --> 01:05:29,230
Mark Burik:
If you're interested in organizing a private camp or you're going to be in Nashville and you want to check out his place and get in some training, same thing.
813
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,798
Mark Burik:
Shoot that message to at hyden beach and somebody will be there helping him out.
814
01:05:34,884 --> 01:05:40,126
Mark Burik:
He's got a great social media manager and they will get you going and get you training.
815
01:05:40,188 --> 01:05:59,746
Mark Burik:
So if you want to learn the game whether you're a coach and you want to learn how to run John's system or you just want to get your own training and come and learn from him or have him travel to you, I know he's got something set up in Sarasota where a team invited him to go to them.
816
01:05:59,928 --> 01:06:02,930
Mark Burik:
People can reach out to at hyden beach on Instagram.
817
01:06:02,990 --> 01:06:06,782
Mark Burik:
Shoot that message and he'll be stoked to go and share the game and share his knowledge.
818
01:06:06,866 --> 01:06:10,994
Mark Burik:
All right, I'm going to Atlanta then I'm going to Florida and we got our camp in Tampa.
819
01:06:11,102 --> 01:06:12,374
Brandon Joyner:
Drive safe, baby.
820
01:06:12,482 --> 01:06:13,570
Mark Burik:
Yeah, I will.
821
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,130
Brandon Joyner:
I'll see you in a couple of days, Roomy.
822
01:06:16,310 --> 01:06:17,426
Mark Burik:
All right, roomy.
823
01:06:17,558 --> 01:06:19,370
Mark Burik:
All right, guys, see you on the sand.
824
01:06:19,490 --> 01:06:20,722
Brandon Joyner:
See you on the sand, guys.
825
01:06:20,856 --> 01:06:21,050
Mark Burik:
Bye.
